Reality and Other Falsehoods

[ImmortalCow]

Originally Posted by RayA75 Then what would be the cause of your subjective reality? And what reality would that cause lie in?

The cause of the subjectivity is the act of experiencing it. If you want to be more precise, firstly the structure of our senses, for example the eye does not pick up IR wave lengths, secondly the way our senses transmit convert the stimulus in to a sensation, for example stimulating small hairs in the ear, thirdly the way that this sensation is transmitted to our 'current' memory, and thus the structure of our memory, and finally as the sensation becomes a memory proper, and is moved to short term and later long term memory.

The reason that reality is interpreted as subjective is simply a matter of perspective, so to speak. Because of differences in physical structure etc we perceive different things, and then because of ourselves we interpret things differently.

In what reality would the cause lie? In the objective reality. However as I said, all our experiences are subjective. A nice example is the aforementioned IR wave lengths; they exist yet we cannot sense them, hence our subjective reality does not even acknowledge their existence. However we have machines and devices to measure and observe such things, and these machines can never be 100% accurate (as we acknowledge), and have to undergo rigorous testing and calibration to be used in a situation requiring accuracy. Luckily unlike such machines, humans don't need accuracy. Thus there is no standardized taste or touch (though one may argue a degree of effort is put in to standardizing sight and hearing, but clearly not enough to make us all hear the same thing.)

[Hamster]

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[NearlyDead]

Originally Posted by Murmayder I tend to start a new topic if I have a new point of discussion. Righto, what about this, slightly on topic in the mind body genre. NEW QUESTION: If you could have your consciousness implanted into a cyborg body, causing you to live without pain or fear until the end of your days/forever, would you do it knowing that you would never have any emotions or feel anything again? You'd have your memories and you'd know the emotions you would have otherwise felt, but you cannot experience the emotions themselves.

I know we're talking about implanting our minds into cyborgs, but I do not
believe that what you described about never feeling emotion, though still holding onto experiences and those Emotions is possible. You
are the sum of your experiences and emotions, those memories.
If you still had those feelings, or atleast the memory, then you would still have emotions, because on account
of past encounters you would know what emotion to tie future situations into.
Besides, if you still remember those emotions, You would be feeling them.


Also my perception on reality.
Reality doesn't exist, or atleast one whole reality doesn't.
For example, in my reality this is a highbrow conversation,
One that I might happen to enjoy, though I might be inarticulate
to others.
Someone else's reality might be this is a very stupid conversation, as
it doesn't get anything done, just sitting around and arguing about
stuff that doesn't matter in the long stretch.
Different realities, though I guess this could also be called an opinion.
There is a part in a book, actually in the Narnia Chronicles.
It was very interesting, now that I think about it, it was towards the end...
Book: The Last Battle. I think. Anyways it was the last in the series.

[Agentmax]

Originally Posted by NearlyDead I know we're talking about implanting our minds into cyborgs, but I do not believe that what you described about never feeling emotion, though still holding onto experiences and those Emotions is possible. You are the sum of your experiences and emotions, those memories. If you still had those feelings, or atleast the memory, then you would still have emotions, because on account of past encounters you would know what emotion to tie future situations into. Besides, if you still remember those emotions, You would be feeling them. Also my perception on reality. Reality doesn't exist, or atleast one whole reality doesn't. For example, in my reality this is a highbrow conversation, One that I might happen to enjoy, though I might be inarticulate to others. Someone else's reality might be this is a very stupid conversation, as it doesn't get anything done, just sitting around and arguing about stuff that doesn't matter in the long stretch. Different realities, though I guess this could also be called an opinion. There is a part in a book, actually in the Narnia Chronicles. It was very interesting, now that I think about it, it was towards the end... Book: The Last Battle. I think. Anyways it was the last in the series.

If that's the case then aren't we hybrid cyborgs that can feel emotion and pain? Cause from what I just read we would still feel emotion so if can feel emotion who's to say we still can't feel pain?

[NearlyDead]

I don't understand you.
cyborg, short for "cybernetic organism", is a being with both biological and artificial (e.g. electronic, mechanical or robotic) parts.
So no, I guess not.

[Murmayder]

Originally Posted by Clockwork8 I think they're right and you're just a noob! Here: http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/dis.htm P.S. if referencing an entire dissertation is not enough "content" then sorry, I'll just stop posting in the discussion area forever.

I have no time to read this, can you summarise?