Originally Posted by Gorman
You are implying that they made a choice not to have a choice :3
/me is confused.
I'm implying that seeing as how they think themselves determinist and as such, amoral, that doesn't mean that we people who don't think ourselves as determinists amoral. Thus we are able to label them.
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It seems to me that you are making a pretty big logical fallacy there; you apply determinst theory to determinsts, and don't to the rest of us?
I don't think you can really say 'determinst theory is true only for determinsts'.
To use an example once more, its like saying that if you believe the earth is flat you are not allowed to buy a round the world trip because you would fly of the edge and die.
The earth is round or it is flat, it can't change for different people.
See what I am getting at? :3
I don't think you can really say 'determinst theory is true only for determinsts'.
To use an example once more, its like saying that if you believe the earth is flat you are not allowed to buy a round the world trip because you would fly of the edge and die.
The earth is round or it is flat, it can't change for different people.
See what I am getting at? :3
Originally Posted by Gorman
It seems to me that you are making a pretty big logical fallacy there; you apply determinst theory to determinsts, and don't to the rest of us?
Of course. Why should I? I'm saying that if determinists believe themselves to be true determinists then they must, in actuality, be amoral.
Originally Posted by Gorman
I don't think you can really say 'determinst theory is true only for determinsts'.
I'm saying it. ;)
Originally Posted by Gorman
To use an example once more, its like saying that if you believe the earth is flat you are not allowed to buy a round the world trip because you would fly of the edge and die.
I'm also inclined to mention (seeing as you started) the logical fallacy of analogy right there.
But yeah, in essence, what I'm trying to get across is this:
'I'm saying that if determinists believe themselves to be true determinists then they must, in actuality, be amoral.'.
I'm gonna go to sleep now, I'll check up on this thread in probably about 15 hours.
Last edited by Galt; May 16, 2010 at 05:41 PM.
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But still, since determinism makes morality void, then psychopaths do not exist, and once again we wind back to them not being psychopaths.
To say otherwise would be to pick and choose the bits you want, which is clearly wrong.
As for this; 'I'm saying that if determinists believe themselves to be true determinists then they must, in actuality, be amoral.'
As above, you cannot be amoral without the existance of morals, and since as you say determinsm is not compatible with such a concept, then they are neither amoral nor moral.
In the absence of colour is that which is not white black? I doubt it =]
I admit, I did think this was a serious thread at first, rather than a game of "you are what you believe" n_n
To say otherwise would be to pick and choose the bits you want, which is clearly wrong.
As for this; 'I'm saying that if determinists believe themselves to be true determinists then they must, in actuality, be amoral.'
As above, you cannot be amoral without the existance of morals, and since as you say determinsm is not compatible with such a concept, then they are neither amoral nor moral.
In the absence of colour is that which is not white black? I doubt it =]
I admit, I did think this was a serious thread at first, rather than a game of "you are what you believe" n_n
