Originally Posted by Mapleleaf

I would hardly even call this manslaughter, from the article atleast, it seems that it's not even the officer's fault at all. If someone gets manslaughter charges it should be the woman, she's the one responsible for the whole incident in the end. If she wouldn't have 'confronted' (eh wrong word but cant think of a better word) the officer, the gun wouldn't have gone off.

Originally Posted by Warcry

I highly doubt that this was an accident. The odds of a police officer walking into a room, bumping into/wrestling with a middle aged woman and having the gun go off, shooting a sleeping seven year old on the sofa are just impossibly high. Add in the fact that it was a clean headshot and it becomes even more unlikely. The officers threw a stun grenade into the room before they entered. Those things make a lot of noise and light. My guess is that they stunned the room, the sleeping girl got hit with the flash and freaked out, possibly getting up and running and the officer shot her reflexively. I do not for one second believe that the mother tried to wrestle the officer's gun away from him. The last thing anyone does (apart from a trained soldier) when an armed force enters the room you're in, is try to run at them and disarm them. You take cover or make yourself a small target.

Originally Posted by Gorman

Lol'd.

Originally Posted by Mapleleaf

That's not what happened.
The gun went off by accident. The officer wasn't aiming at the child or whatsoever, if you'd have read the article you would've known that the gun 'fired' when the woman collided with, attacked or whatever it was, the officer.

I would hardly even call this manslaughter, from the article atleast, it seems that it's not even the officer's fault at all. If someone gets manslaughter charges it should be the woman, she's the one responsible for the whole incident in the end. If she wouldn't have 'confronted' (eh wrong word but cant think of a better word) the officer, the gun wouldn't have gone off.

EDIT: Also, even if the cop shot deliberately, I can imagine it's very easy to fire a weapon out of instincts, subconsciously, when something pops out from a corner or something. If you've played a game with shock effects, you'll know this. (and yes I know you're not supposed to hold your finger on the trigger at all times, to prevent things like that)

Eh, I don't really blame the officer for something that isn't his fault. Also, think of the emotional scars the man has now, I pity him. He'll probably get tons of serious, gov't-funded, therapy sessions as well. Atleast, that's what would happen here.

Originally Posted by Galt

Heh, it doesn't matter if you call it manslaughter or not. The law calls it manslaughter. He still pressed the trigger. But for his action, the girl would still be alive.
You have too much empathy for the man. He shot and killed a girl. You think that remorse should prevent people from being sentenced to jail?

Manslaughter is manslaughter.

Originally Posted by Warcry

Compelling argument.

Originally Posted by SmileyJones

There's not enough information here to tell who is directly responsible for the shooting. What does seem to be clear is that flashbanging the crap out of two apartments full of civilians at night, without even knocking, is a horrible idea. The SWAT teams in this country need to be held to at least the same standards we hold our soldiers to.

Originally Posted by SmileyJones

The SWAT teams in this country need to be held to at least the same standards we hold our soldiers to.

Originally Posted by Gorman

How did they jump the gun?

Please explain that to me.

And how would you enter the residence of a possible murderer? With your gun in holster, and with arms wide open?