Originally Posted by Hyde
blame imperialism, no need for discussion, evidence not required bla
Each single country on this planet will protect its own interests. Using one single word to describe their actions is rather ignorant. You can't just mark everything the USA does with imperialism, it's far more complicated than that, seeing as many factors are involved in that matter. Oversimplifying matters and then saying that there is no evidence required, when clearly there are people who disagree with you is… I dunno, silly?
If you think that it is not discussion worthy, why post in the first place? :v
Either way, I think Arglax estimated the situation somewhat accurately when he said that the USD pretty much depends on oil.
It's a vicious circle of inflation so ultimately it does not really benefit US but private interests.
honestly in my own opinion, because we want to act like were doing something. the middle east affair that's going on is their own problem. personally i say fuck em. they take our help and supplies but yet absolute fuck us over on the pricing of oil so i honestly don't see why we are even over there "helping" them.
| Arglax Moderated Message: |
| [Citation needed] |
Last edited by Arglax; Aug 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM.
BTW if my background is illegal, please message me staff member. don't do warning
Originally Posted by Thellian
we deposed and ultimately lead to the hanging of a violent, genocidal, theocratic dictator
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
Bush took USA to war because God told him to, and ended up causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths - and this was just another fight in the anti-muslim campaign.
> violent
> genocidal
> theocratic
But at least he was elected democratically.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Bush took USA to war because God told him to
I'm sure Bush went before congress and said "God commands we wage war with the middle east!"
Just as the otherwise secular Obama has done, Bush likely invoked the concept of God to gain approval from the masses. Regardless of what Bush personally thought, we went to war for political and economic reasons. Albeit those reasons are almost entirely bullshit, it wasn't started as a campaign against Islam.
-----
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
> violent
> genocidal
> theocratic
But at least he was elected democratically.
What does this have to do with anything? He violated all sorts of international laws and killed thousands of his people for being of a different creed. Like I stated in my previous post, he should have been dealt with a decade sooner.
And since we're on the subject, I'll elaborate on the importance of intervention in Iraq.
Suppose, for a second, that the US was isolationist - that we keep our troops and our politics out of the middle east.
Saddam and his family, who owned the entirety of Iraq's treasury, who killed an estimated 180,000 Kurds, up to 10,000 of which with poison gas, and who committed several other crimes against humanity...They would still be in power. They would own Kuwait just like they owned Iraq. And countless more Kurds and Shia would have been killed.
And this is just Iraq. In the last 20 years, the US conducted military operations in over 15 different countries, including intervention which ended the genocide of Albanians living in Kosovo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...0.E2.80.932009
It's easy to watch the media and exclaim that the US has some convoluted agenda, whether it be religious or a bid to gain more power or wealth, but the reality is that those elements are secondary to what are actually justifiable causes, such as ending genocide.
I don't agree with how our government and military have behaved since 9/11, many things should have been done differently, but the criticisms that have been leveled against them are ridiculous.
Last edited by Thellian; Aug 19, 2013 at 07:12 AM.
Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
My signature sucks
In other words "USA is the lesser of two evils"?
Besides that... I don't think it's wise to blindly believe Kurdish estimates instead of HRW etc. And that happened in late 80s, years before the invasion. USA is estimated to have killed over 100,000 civilians in Iraq. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
WHAT A SURPRISE - the number of deaths caused by a genocide is overshadowed to the number of civilian casualties caused by US actions!
Besides that... I don't think it's wise to blindly believe Kurdish estimates instead of HRW etc. And that happened in late 80s, years before the invasion. USA is estimated to have killed over 100,000 civilians in Iraq. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
WHAT A SURPRISE - the number of deaths caused by a genocide is overshadowed to the number of civilian casualties caused by US actions!
The lesser of two evils.
