Originally Posted by BlakNWyte
Even if you can't find immediate or practical justifications for it, not caring about the environment 100 years from now is still an awfully selfish and egotistical thing to do. If you plan on having any kids and aren't a sociopath, you probably won't want to see them suffer from the problems you and me left them.
No. It's not an egotistical thing. It's an egoistical thing. And egoism is both practical and rational.
And I highly doubt (if I ever have a kid) that my kid will be affected by pollution so much that it effects their health and wellbeing.
Originally Posted by BlakNWyte
It reminds me of the issue someone else brought up in discussion once, about not giving a crap about anyone in poverty or starving (in fact was wishing them dead out of 'convenience', if i recall), or am I taking this issue a wrong direction?
Tis a different thing.
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Is egoism really a practical and rational view to adopt? What if everyone was an egoist? Hello starving, dying family of six, I think I will have this delicious steak as I am feeling a little bit hungry at the moment. Crawl on your blistering knees to the next man down the road and maybe you'll get some left overs.
And there you see selfishness arrives at practical, logical problems even for someone totally void of ethics.
And there you see selfishness arrives at practical, logical problems even for someone totally void of ethics.
Originally Posted by BlakNWyte
Is egoism really a practical and rational view to adopt? What if everyone was an egoist? Hello starving, dying family of six, I think I will have this delicious steak as I am feeling a little bit hungry at the moment. Crawl on your blistering knees to the next man down the road and maybe you'll get some left overs.
Egoism dictates that one does whatever is in his self interest to survive. The act of working with others to gain food is essential to the survival of the individual, ergo, it is egoistical.
Originally Posted by BlakNWyte
And there you see selfishness arrives at practical, logical problems even for someone totally void of ethics.
Your misunderstanding of the concept of egoism proves nothing.
Don't presume I'm void of ethics either. I have done nothing that would possible lead you to believe that.
Summation; check your premises and hold your tongue.
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Originally Posted by Galt
Egoism dictates that one does whatever is in his self interest to survive. The act of working with others to gain food is essential to the survival of the individual, ergo, it is egoistical.
and illogical, as it deprives the individuals you are working with of equality.
Working with others should be in the interest of the others as much as it is in the interest of the self, as it would thus ensure the continuation of the whole which the self is to rely on.
Originally Posted by Galt
Your misunderstanding of the concept of egoism proves nothing.
Don't presume I'm void of ethics either. I have done nothing that would possible lead you to believe that.
Summation; check your premises and hold your tongue.
that is fairly presumptuous, given that you cannot be sure that you have received the full spirit of BnW's perspective in one little post.
Your instant assumption that he was or could have been referring to YOU as being void of morals or ethics speaks more of you than his assumed accusation might.
Let's say the most ethical and moral thing to do would be rationally take into consideration that we are a group consisting of individuals, most-to-all of whom are acting with self preservation and self interests. what, then, would the most logical and rational approach be?
A) act selfishly and care naught of others
B) Work with others to specifically forward your motives
C)Act selflessly and give completely of yourself to the others so that they may flourish, ergo you may flourish from them.
D) Work with others to generally forward the motives of all individuals collectively, while reserving time to focus on your own priorities, careful not to interfere with the priorities of others
If you didnt pick D, explain in fine detail, as to why that is logical and rational, to you.
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