...I personally think that that's a campaign for something that is of importance (sure, relatively minor importance). But they are doing it by trying to make people who use the terms feel like the terms were about them, wich... doesn't really work and is somewhat hypocritical, and thus lowers credibility and is slightly amoral. On a side note, how much do gay people care about people using the term "fag"?
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
Your argument makes sense, and I agree JSnuff. But BoredPayne's does not, he only makes a distinction based on how common it is, not by the meaning.
I'm sorry you did not fully understand my post. Thankfully, JSnuff was able to explain it to you.
Originally Posted by Rampardos
On a side note, how much do gay people care about people using the term "fag"?
Most who've been exposed to abuse can be and are affected by it.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Uhhh...no. If society collectively reinterprets nigger as just a casual way of saying "I don't like this," it's still racist, it still has the stigma, it still has the potential to hurt and incite violence. Equating homosexuality with dislike is pretty obviously offensive.
The word is inherently homophobic.
No, when a kid says, "Oh, this drink is so gay". They are not intending to offend homosexuals. They want to display hate toward the drink by equating it to something apparently negative (homosexuality). Now, regardless of what people interrupt from their use of the word, they still never intended to offend gay people directly.
Obviously some people do mean to offend homosexuals when using it towards gays but most of the time, they use it because everyone else does. It is your own opinion about the morality of it, but that's not the point of my thread. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the ad and inquiring how people feel about this, considering it's a widely advertised and "respected" campaign.
The word is not inherently homophobic. It is the context of which the word is used that makes it homophobic. Derogatory terms like "faggot" and "butt pirate" are homophobic. But "gay" is merely a word to describe a homosexual. It's like saying the word "black" is racist. It is but a word to describe someone.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
I'm sorry you did not fully understand my post. Thankfully, JSnuff was able to explain it to you.
JSnuff and you made different arguments, your argument was " if stupid was used ... to the extent faggot is used", clearly saying that it's merely a question of how often it is used.
Apparently you think 'fag' is used more than 'stupid'? I don't think that is the case. Apparently you are just upset that a word that once meant
I absolutely love the connotation that saying "lemonade is gay" is somehow implying "lemonade is bad, lemonade is gay, therefore homosexuals are just as bad as lemonade, I hate homosexuals". It's fitting that the homosexual stereotype includes 'being over sensitive' :P
I have no lead in to what I'm about to say:
Like a lot of people would say "Oh he drives a Prius? Is he a fag?!", when he means that the car is more characteristic of a homosexual than the car just being stupid.
Whereas, in contrast, we don't say something like "Wow. You score 18 points in the basketball game? You're 'n word' good"
I think the bigger difference is... you can make gay jokes. You can make black jokes. You can make asian jokes. But... when you make black jokes, you don't use the "n word", when you make asian jokes, you don't say the "ch***" word, but somehow, people think it's okay to say "fag" towards homosexuals.
I think there's a huge difference between those two words. One's meaning has been pretty strongly separated from it's literal meaning, whereas the other is a discriminatory word specifically used to hurt a community.
Like a lot of people would say "Oh he drives a Prius? Is he a fag?!", when he means that the car is more characteristic of a homosexual than the car just being stupid.
Whereas, in contrast, we don't say something like "Wow. You score 18 points in the basketball game? You're 'n word' good"
I think the bigger difference is... you can make gay jokes. You can make black jokes. You can make asian jokes. But... when you make black jokes, you don't use the "n word", when you make asian jokes, you don't say the "ch***" word, but somehow, people think it's okay to say "fag" towards homosexuals.
I think there's a huge difference between those two words. One's meaning has been pretty strongly separated from it's literal meaning, whereas the other is a discriminatory word specifically used to hurt a community.
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