It's a way One trip to Mars that would leave during Opposition which would make mars no more than 101 million km or it could even be closer that year . And it only costs like 40 million to get yourself into space. So all of the 100,000 people must be sponsored by millionaires or themselves be rich and I think that's more than enough money to get there and not come back.

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Originally Posted by T0ribush

A ship that size shouldn't be built on Earth it has to be built in space. Or it wouldn't leave Earth because it wouldn't be able to break from Earth's gravitational pull with the output of energy were at. We'd need to be able to contain the sheer raw power that is Anti Matter to do such things.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

And it only takes like 8 months to get to Mars and can be reduced on how much fuel you want to use.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

It wouldn't take Generations, even if the ship were massive it would still reach the Red planet within that generation.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

And imagine you were that stupid generation that didn't pass down your ideals and such to the next generation aboard the generation ship which the ship going to Mars won't be a generation ship

Originally Posted by T0ribush

It's a way One trip to Mars that would leave during Opposition which would make mars no more than 101 million km or it could even be closer that year . And it only costs like 40 million to get yourself into space. So all of the 100,000 people must be sponsored by millionaires or themselves be rich and I think that's more than enough money to get there and not come back.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

And are you jumping to Outside solar system space travel already? Talking about generation ships and what not. Were not. Were talking about Mars and the Moon. The closest and easiest to inhabit compared to everything else in the system.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

The bigger you are, the faster you have to go to break the orbit of the sun. Or else you'll be flying in circles in your generation ship with our current thruster technology.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

You don't deserve to be in space, if you're going to fall out of line and try and take over the ship. You'd just be hindering our excellence. They'd carefully select people in a generation ship. Not just anyone.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

Generation Ships is a careful science that isn't being used here.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

They are going to mars and not coming back.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

A generation ship would be used to save our race launching them into space with no return.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

And would have shuttles aboard because the ship wouldn't be able to land and leave again because the weight of the ship on the planet.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

Ships like that Stay in Space, unless we've gotten a hold of anti gravity.

Originally Posted by T0ribush

The sun won't blow up everything. It will destroy our solar system completely.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

The Sun won't blow up. It'll expand (red giant state) then implode (white dwarf state). The sun isn't big enough to create a supernova. Why do you think people are speculating Mars as a possible evac point? Because the Sun probably won't expand that far.

I feel like you based all that you've written so far on WALL-E. Grab a book instead.

Originally Posted by Arglax

I don't know what compells you to think that in 1.2 billion years the human race will still exist on Terra.

Originally Posted by Arglax

Nobody here is talking about colonising mars for the sake of escaping the sun.

Originally Posted by Arglax

Please take the time to actually read a thread before you start calling the people in it uneducated.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

I certainly didn't say that.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

Why do you think people are speculating Mars as a possible evac point? Because the Sun probably won't expand that far.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

It fit perfectly into my post to further strengthen my point, which was the sun not exploding at all and wiping out the solar system. It'll inflate, yes, but that's different.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

I was commenting on a single thing being said, I don't need to shift through everything being said to spot bullshit.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

That is, unless our space faring abilities allow us to travel between stars without a hitch. If we need "generation ships" to do that, then it's not really worth it since staying in our solar system would still allow us to live on for a while until the sun turns into a white dwarf. If we can pull off interstellar travel, then the closest star systems with Earth-like planets seem like a no-brainer to check out.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

If our capabilities allow it, we could correct the Earth's orbit to move into the new habitable zone of the inflated star. Since the Sun wouldn't inflate that fast, slowly widening the the orbit could do the trick.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

I'm certain we wouldn't have to switch galaxies though. There are so many star systems in the milky way that I'm sure we could find hundreds of planets which are habitable, or can be terraformed with a little effort.

Look, I don't know what you're talking about here. You're talking about surviving this timespan ("a while")...

So you are, instead of moving to another planet, moving the planet? What the?! Which of these two do you think is most cost-efficient: building spacecraft to move a race or building some kind of massive mega-contraption to move a dead planet around. I used "dead" because I'm speculating that by the time we have the power to, you know, move planets around, I suspect the human Terra's lost most of its worth.

Calling terraforming an business that requires 'little effort' is just blatant ignorance.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

I don't know why are you trying to argue with me here.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

I'm obviously implying that we overcome whatever crap we have to till that point. Not because it's 100% that we are going to, but because the other possibility is less interesting. I also took that example to prove that the sun won't inflate that far. I hate repeating myself.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

That's time to improve our spacefaring capabilities. We might not need generation ships if we spend enough time perfecting our stuff.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

Since the orbit wouldn't need radical changes due to the nature of the inflation, it could be cost-efficient if we find out how to pull it off. And I don't remember saying anything about mega-contraptions. Terra could still be worth something even that far in the future, you can't know for sure.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

There are obviously planets which need less terraforming than others. I was talking about those.

Originally Posted by Arglax

You're missing my point here. I'm pointing out that you are talking about timespans of billions of years. Human civilisation is less than 100.000 years old, and we've been on the verge of extinction before. I'm saying that I'm skeptical about the human race surviving life on earth for one billion years, by then, the earth's resources will LONG have been depleted.

Originally Posted by Arglax

You don't need 1.2 billion years to research and build spacecraft that are able to escape our solar system.

Originally Posted by Arglax

You're talking about MOVING A PLANET. You really don't have an idea of what you're talking about. Are you implying it can be done with a small contraption then?

Originally Posted by Arglax

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Any terraforming takes a lot of effort and thousands of years of work.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

Okay, and I think that's a bland and boring outcome, however probable. I prefer the "we overcome" scenario which the topic should be about (see the first post).

Originally Posted by ynvaser

And how do you know that? We might not even be able to build such craft. Physics, woo.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

If I knew that answer I'd be discussing this with a board of scientists while drinking the most expensive booze and getting blown by the most expensive hookers money can buy, instead of trying to exchange ideas on a message board.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

You can't know what direction science takes by that point. Perhaps we'd be better suited for moving planets than creating drives which are capable of interstellar travel. Or maybe we'll go extinct before that even becomes an issue. You can't talk in plain statements here, unless you possess some seer-like powers.

Originally Posted by ynvaser

Well of course I don't have an idea on how terraforming works exactly, but neither do you (if you did, you'd be doing the things I mentioned above).

Originally Posted by ynvaser

But just think about this: terraforming a planet which is almost Earth-like takes less effort than terraforming a barren rock with no atmosphere whatsoever. Let's say it's 10-20 degrees colder than Earth, but otherwise it's okay. You could heat it up a bit by inducing a greenhouse effect in the atmosphere. No O2, but lots of CO2? Plant some algae there, they'll slowly transform the air to be breathable.