Originally Posted by Ele
Christ...
Pointless word play. A constitutional republic is by definition both a representative form of government and a democratic form of government.
The distinction made by everyone in this thread (which you seem to have missed on your pedant quest) is the operation of the US government is in practice undemocratic because their people don't really have power.
Republics are democratic, but to say that the US is a democracy is somewhat removed from reality.
If you feel like replying with a meaningless argument based on definitions instead of reality, maybe you should consider that the DPRK have elections, they are a democracy right? Hell it even says so in the name!
Unless you can come up with a legitimate argument that can appease the common skeptics arguments against calling the USA a democracy, without also conceding that the DPRK is also a democracy, then it's pointless for you to try and argue. Then again, you could just say "hey will I consider NK to be a democracy too so there" if you really want to, once a pedant always a pedant, right?
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Last edited by ImmortalPig; May 31, 2015 at 07:36 PM.
Reason: Couldn't resist, also corrected a couple of typos because they annoyed me.
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Originally Posted by xbcz
I cant see political system that can solve all problems that human nature produces.
I think we touch an important point here [edit : about why people think democracy is failing], but what you said is wrong imo.
There's no "human nature", our very nature is to be a very malleable social species. Our behaviours and ideas are shaped by the environment we live in, but those behaviours and ideas also shape the future environment/society we will live in.
Society will never be free of issues ; the only thing we can do is re-invente ourselves over and over because any system is bound to face obstacles and fail at some point, exactly because of our "changing nature" and new lines of thoughts or needs emerging from that new environment. We can only follow a general direction, the way we follow it is bound to change over and over, and what we know for sure is that the larger percentage of educated and responsible human beings there is, the better we live.
So, problems aren't produced by "human nature", they're produced by the gap inbetween the needs & desires our present society creates and what the present society requires from us.
Last edited by deprav; May 31, 2015 at 10:01 PM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Pointless word play. A constitutional republic is by definition both a representative form of government and a democratic form of government.
Yeah, that's what we've said (me and coco). The opposing point (that it's not a democracy because it's a constitutional republic) that's been parroted in this thread is what I was countering.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
The distinction made by everyone in this thread (which you seem to have missed on your pedant quest) is the operation of the US government is in practice undemocratic because their people don't really have power.
In your eagerness to argue with me/call me a pedant, you've assumed that I entered the discussion intending to make futher points than the one I made. I was countering a commonly held misconception about the mutual exclusivity of constitutional republics and democracies. That's all.
I've gone into this topic on the board before, in this thread. If I wanted to regurgitate my points from that, I would've, but I didn't want to, so I didn't.
Last edited by Ele; Jun 1, 2015 at 05:14 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
Yeah, that's what we've said (me and coco). The opposing point (that it's not a democracy because it's a constitutional republic) that's been parroted in this thread is what I was countering.
In your eagerness to argue with me/call me a pedant, you've assumed that I entered the discussion intending to make futher points than the one I made. I was countering a commonly held misconception about the mutual exclusivity of constitutional republics and democracies. That's all.
I've gone into this topic on the board before, in this thread. If I wanted to regurgitate my points from that, I would've, but I didn't want to, so I didn't.
Is this bait?
No one said "it's not a democracy because it's a constitutional republic", I made no such assumption, there is no such misconception let alone a commonly held one, your thread essentially argues that USA is not a democracy.
I don't see how this could not be bait, so I'm not going to post any more than this...
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Is this bait?
No one said "it's not a democracy because it's a constitutional republic", I made no such assumption, there is no such misconception let alone a commonly held one, your thread essentially argues that USA is not a democracy.
Really? No-one said that?
Originally Posted by Pidgenere
The United States has a "Constitutional Republic." We have never had a democracy.
Originally Posted by qukslice
Ok. Two things. AMERICA IS NOT FUCKING DEMOCRATIC. America is a republic.
Originally Posted by BlackStar
the USA is not a democracy, it's a republic.
Righto. Did you read the thread? I don't think you did.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
I don't see how this could not be bait, so I'm not going to post any more than this...
Good, thank-you.
