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Further support on duel cases
Many duelest have seen it and realized it, duels are becoming full of loopholes and lies.
Basically what Im suggesting is either a return of fully supported item duels or an item duel command with 4.3 or what ever the next release is. I'll give a example to show why this is an issue.
Ex1: Bob duels Jimmy his 3 full 512's vs Jimmy's 1 Million tc(I'm using extremes to show the point) Bob loses and feels like a jerk. In his head he knows it will take him months to regain those such valuable items but he also knows that ban length is 1 month and the admins will not do the transfer for him. Instead of paying him he takes the ban because he knows he will be reunited with his items after 1month.
That is the mind set of many of the duel scammers, seeing they would never recover the lost items so just get banned with them.
Loopholes are also an issue
Ex2: Tom is a dueling book worm and knows every rule inside and out and isnt afraid to abuse them. With the addition of duels not being supported if involved "rules" he intentionally gets John who is not a rule worm like Tom or just doesnt expect the worst. Tom loses but because of the rules the admins dont handle the case and the scammer is free. With john now aware of the loopholes he uses them, Tom uses them and it spreads to everyone spiraling out of control(Kinda how it already has)
Those are just some of the loopholes abused in duels.
Im only making this suggestion to save duels before its really too late. I talked with firebolty about this case and he said he saw how it was an issue aswell but Im unaware if any discussion or consideration ever took place so I'm just placing this here so everyone can see whats on the minds of the duelest.
P.s Dont let this accounts join date fool you, I've been around for years and I can proudly say before duels were unsupported the dueling community was safe and scam rates were much lower than they are now, another thing to think about.
Basically what Im suggesting is either a return of fully supported item duels or an item duel command with 4.3 or what ever the next release is. I'll give a example to show why this is an issue.
Ex1: Bob duels Jimmy his 3 full 512's vs Jimmy's 1 Million tc(I'm using extremes to show the point) Bob loses and feels like a jerk. In his head he knows it will take him months to regain those such valuable items but he also knows that ban length is 1 month and the admins will not do the transfer for him. Instead of paying him he takes the ban because he knows he will be reunited with his items after 1month.
That is the mind set of many of the duel scammers, seeing they would never recover the lost items so just get banned with them.
Loopholes are also an issue
Ex2: Tom is a dueling book worm and knows every rule inside and out and isnt afraid to abuse them. With the addition of duels not being supported if involved "rules" he intentionally gets John who is not a rule worm like Tom or just doesnt expect the worst. Tom loses but because of the rules the admins dont handle the case and the scammer is free. With john now aware of the loopholes he uses them, Tom uses them and it spreads to everyone spiraling out of control(Kinda how it already has)
Those are just some of the loopholes abused in duels.
Im only making this suggestion to save duels before its really too late. I talked with firebolty about this case and he said he saw how it was an issue aswell but Im unaware if any discussion or consideration ever took place so I'm just placing this here so everyone can see whats on the minds of the duelest.
P.s Dont let this accounts join date fool you, I've been around for years and I can proudly say before duels were unsupported the dueling community was safe and scam rates were much lower than they are now, another thing to think about.
Quotes and discussions.
Last edited by moneyboy99; Feb 13, 2013 at 04:18 AM.
I Understand thewolff's argument. Duel reports have gone unsettled, ignored, or not even posted on for weeks with bumping. Knowing not much will be done about something that happens frequently lowers your spirit to try to do something about it. Also Once again btw I talked with a few gms and they arent happy with the duel scam reports they get, and neither are many duelists, any type of item duel system would save the duelest community but would I or some other players be able to make a duelest org for those upset with the current duel conditions.
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out of curiosity what was the date duels became unsupported.
Im gonna average up the duel scams in every month from when it was unsupported to back when it was to back like 2009 or so.
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This is a little conversation I recorded with one of the gms, many of them arent very pleased with the duel scam reports they get atm. Ill be posting more quotes from other gms possibly aswell as duelests
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The frustration of a fellow duelests.
anyways from now on these will be in a spoiler on the first post.
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out of curiosity what was the date duels became unsupported.
Im gonna average up the duel scams in every month from when it was unsupported to back when it was to back like 2009 or so.
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This is a little conversation I recorded with one of the gms, many of them arent very pleased with the duel scam reports they get atm. Ill be posting more quotes from other gms possibly aswell as duelests
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The frustration of a fellow duelests.
anyways from now on these will be in a spoiler on the first post.
Last edited by moneyboy99; Feb 13, 2013 at 03:23 AM.
Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
So basically you're wanting to dump more work on a staff group that already has a stack to do? Expecting someone to be available 24/7 and willing to jump ingame to babysit a duel is ridiculous, they're volunteers. It simply aint gonna happen, and since Shmevin is already on his last warning from me over duelling crap he's the least of people to think has good ideas.
Just stick to duelling people who can be trusted, if someone's a douche about it then shitlist them. Before long it'll be back to how it originally was & duels will run smoothly again.
Was I just insulted for reporting a duel to an unwilling staff member? I'm suprised.
Dueling is a way to make money in Toribash, just like betting, marketing, etc. We use our ingame skill in gambling to make money. Why should we not be supported by staff members if such things happen so often? Not only do we get ingored, we even get banned for the simple fact we that we got scammed.
Let me show you the reasoning behind my idea, this is a very good read if you are unbiased on the topic of duels, duelers, and duel scamming.
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Last edited by Discobash; Feb 13, 2013 at 03:29 AM.
Originally Posted by moneyboy99
out of curiosity what was the date duels became unsupported.
Eh? There's incredibly limited scenarios where duels are unsupported. Allow me to quote:
Originally Posted by duel scam "rules"
Note: We will not be dealing with your case if you used "no lift/kick/whatever" rules during the duel.
Obviously we can't enforce that sort of thing, and even if there was an item duel system it wouldn't help in that regard.
Those types of duels always end in people arguing, one persons word against another's etc.
As for other duels, if it was done using the /duel command then TC will be refunded if something goes wrong - eg a ping or the other person deliberately specs or quits (the latter ideally having a screen shot to go along with it). Item duels have some support too.
Meh, there's a sticky in the scam report board that outlines it all. Basically saying that duels aren't supported by us is plainly wrong.
99% of the problem is the users. You lot either don't check if the other person has the item or whatever you're duelling for, you fail to get screen shots to go along with it or you go running to the wrong places - prodding GMs, smods etc isn't the right way to go about it. Use the damned scam report board.
<Erf> SkulFuk: gf just made a toilet sniffing joke at me
<Erf> i think
<Erf> i think i hate you
