Why do people instantly link suicide to bullying? I'd be willing to bet that bullying is one of the smallest of all causes of suicide. Bullying only applies to kids and teenagers anyways.
Suicide is a symptom of the failure of society to do its duty to everyone. If someone views suicide as a viable alternative to continuing to live, it's far deeper than just "boohoo, i'm getting bullied so i'll kill myself." It displays a fundamental flaw in society. Suicide is what happens when someone's condition, physical, mental or otherwise, deteriorates faster than they have the means to cope with.
Suicide is not selfish, and the excuse that "boohoo the family and friends are going to be upset" is ludicrous at best. Where were they when said person needed support or just a means to cope with their troubles? Why didn't their family raise them in a manner that makes them impervious to bullying? Why didn't their family and friends support them through their existential crisis? That said, generally all of the "suicidal" cases I have seen are utterly pathetic in terms of their reasoning, as people are often not taught how to deal with problems such as bullying, existential crises, or other similar problems. Whatever the reasons behind a suicide are, family and friends are the last people who should be upset about it as it often is entirely their fault, and their feelings are often without merit. If anything, suicidal people who consider their family and friends before making a decision should be commended for their selflessness.
Remember the difference between suicidal and depressed. Suicidal is when someone has made a decision to kill themself and more often than not can't be saved. A depressed person that thinks of suicide is just a depressed person that thinks of suicide. One is not truly suicidal unless they've entirely given up on continuing to live. Suicide is not a light choice for someone, hence why they often seem happier and more energetic after they have made the choice.
As far as I can tell, there are two types of suicidal people. Actively suicidal people, who actively attempt to end their lives, and passively suicidal people, who would kill themselves if the chance presents itself, such as being given a gun or a long drop, or something along those lines. Actively suicidal people are the ones who are most likely to be saved as they are more likely to display signs of being suicidal.
There's tons more I can talk about but it's 4 am and I can't really hold onto the same train of thought.
Homosexuality is a sin according to Christianity too. Why do you attempt to argue with a point you yourself ignore?
Thank you Herr Hindsight. Everything is preventable if you look at it from the perspective of someone looking for stuff that could have been prevented.
Closing statement:
The right to suicide is a fundamental human right and should be legally recognized. People should not be punished for choosing to end their lives, and euthanasia should be legal to prevent a tragic event from becoming even more tragic. The many arguments against suicide are always stupid, as suicide is a flaw of society like many other things.
Suicide is a symptom of the failure of society to do its duty to everyone. If someone views suicide as a viable alternative to continuing to live, it's far deeper than just "boohoo, i'm getting bullied so i'll kill myself." It displays a fundamental flaw in society. Suicide is what happens when someone's condition, physical, mental or otherwise, deteriorates faster than they have the means to cope with.
Suicide is not selfish, and the excuse that "boohoo the family and friends are going to be upset" is ludicrous at best. Where were they when said person needed support or just a means to cope with their troubles? Why didn't their family raise them in a manner that makes them impervious to bullying? Why didn't their family and friends support them through their existential crisis? That said, generally all of the "suicidal" cases I have seen are utterly pathetic in terms of their reasoning, as people are often not taught how to deal with problems such as bullying, existential crises, or other similar problems. Whatever the reasons behind a suicide are, family and friends are the last people who should be upset about it as it often is entirely their fault, and their feelings are often without merit. If anything, suicidal people who consider their family and friends before making a decision should be commended for their selflessness.
Remember the difference between suicidal and depressed. Suicidal is when someone has made a decision to kill themself and more often than not can't be saved. A depressed person that thinks of suicide is just a depressed person that thinks of suicide. One is not truly suicidal unless they've entirely given up on continuing to live. Suicide is not a light choice for someone, hence why they often seem happier and more energetic after they have made the choice.
As far as I can tell, there are two types of suicidal people. Actively suicidal people, who actively attempt to end their lives, and passively suicidal people, who would kill themselves if the chance presents itself, such as being given a gun or a long drop, or something along those lines. Actively suicidal people are the ones who are most likely to be saved as they are more likely to display signs of being suicidal.
There's tons more I can talk about but it's 4 am and I can't really hold onto the same train of thought.
Originally Posted by Monkeyfrog
2.i did and I was raped that's why I'm homosexual...
From a Christian prospective people who suicide is a sin it's not right ...
(Match the numbers in the quote)
Homosexuality is a sin according to Christianity too. Why do you attempt to argue with a point you yourself ignore?
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
Most suicides are preventable.
Thank you Herr Hindsight. Everything is preventable if you look at it from the perspective of someone looking for stuff that could have been prevented.
Closing statement:
The right to suicide is a fundamental human right and should be legally recognized. People should not be punished for choosing to end their lives, and euthanasia should be legal to prevent a tragic event from becoming even more tragic. The many arguments against suicide are always stupid, as suicide is a flaw of society like many other things.
Hoss.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen
Oh, and Hyde just reminded me: I antagonize suicide, but I don't think it should be illegal. If you really want to do it, you should be allowed to.
I prefer people who kill themselves over people who whine all day saying they will kill themselves but don't.
Then you're actively contributing to the problem. Common human decency suggests you should buy into their pathetic attempts at baiting for support and actually support them rather than antagonize them.
Hoss.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen
I don't think people like that deserve any compassion if people who have it much worse aren't doing what they do, sorry.
I would rather have a society where people like that don't exist and the third world people get the help they need.
This reply is likely the last thing i'll post in discussion for the next month or so to preserve my sanity. Why do you think some people are more deserving of compassion than others? Because you have been raised to, and all your experiences in life so far have led you to believe that, or some inner agenda you have or whatever, although that isn't likely considering who you claim to be. Relativity is a powerful thing when it comes to suffering. Having a heart attack and dying when you lose millions in the stock market is as bad as starving to death in Africa, as they both lead to the same end. That said, according to your logic, you have no right to bitch and moan about people who don't deserve your compassion on account of their suffering not being as bad as other's suffering and your disapproval of how they deal with it, as their problems are worse than yours(obviously, why would they kill themselves otherwise), and I disapprove of your bitching and moaning about it, and therefore, you get no compassion from me.
Face it, you're just being an ignorant brat, nothing you have said holds any merit whatsoever, nor are your particular opinions valid in any sense of the word when faced with reality. I'm not going to sit here and explain every single flaw in society, but suicide is a damn big one. When social support webs of family and friends fail, where does the spider that spun the web go? It falls. Did the spider fail or did the web fail? There are fundamental problems that frankly cannot be fixed on account of how complex they are and how much time and effort it would take.
Also you mentioned "human decency," which is a phrase that I don't comprehend.
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Hoss.
