People are wrong because they put these politicians there. To "represent" them. People are wrong because they have not studied about the life of that politicians and even then voted for them. People really do not care about their votes. And the result is always the same: corrupt people in power.
Originally Posted by Chris937
People are wrong because they put these politicians there. To "represent" them. People are wrong because they have not studied about the life of that politicians and even then voted for them. People really do not care about their votes. And the result is always the same: corrupt people in power.
Although I agreed with some of what you said in your previous post, I must disagree with the statement that ''It's all our fault''. It's not that simple, were dealing with a whole nation here. Our community has little to no investment on education and you want constructive researches by our people, specially when we are filled with misleading propaganda by political parties and their promises of progress. Should we have the initiative to go look for information ourselves? Yes, we should. Is it wrong to blame it all on the government? Yes. But so it is wrong to blame it all on society (Damn, specially for a country like ours, its even wronger). We elect people who present us with a vision of progress, which was the case in every election campaign we ever had. Now imagine this, we both know how poor some regions of our country are, and how many are there. What do you think of the people who live there? Do you think they have the condition to go look for information on their social environment? Dude, most of them can't even go to school. And you know I'm not talking about a minority here. All they have is a television, that bombs them with massive propaganda on how this wonderful political party will make their lives better. That's all they fucking have. Then you have this one guy who is running for president/mayor/governor, he visits some of our extremely poor communities, shakes a few hands, smiles, takes pictures with children, giving even more emphasis on how fucking awesome their lives will be if they elect him. What do you think it's gonna happen?
We've been experiencing the results of that for all these years.
I'm saying it again, it's not all the government's fault that most of us don't seek to know more about our politicians, because people can have a will of their own and go do whatever they want with their lives. But in a community with no education whatsoever, provided with nothing but futile TV shows and misleading news, filled with lies to show them how wonderful their country is, and how 'charismatic', 'cheerful' and 'peaceful' we are, there is no chance that is gonna happen.
Originally Posted by sidvicious
Although I agreed with some of what you said in your previous post, I must disagree with the statement that ''It's all our fault''. It's not that simple, were dealing with a whole nation here. Our community has little to no investment on education and you want constructive researches by our people, specially when we are filled with misleading propaganda by political parties and their promises of progress. Should we have the initiative to go look for information ourselves? Yes, we should. Is it wrong to blame it all on the government? Yes. But so it is wrong to blame it all on society (Damn, specially for a country like ours, its even wronger). We elect people who present us with a vision of progress, which was the case in every election campaign we ever had. Now imagine this, we both know how poor some regions of our country are, and how many are there. What do you think of the people who live there? Do you think they have the condition to go look for information on their social environment? Dude, most of them can't even go to school. And you know I'm not talking about a minority here. All they have is a television, that bombs them with massive propaganda on how this wonderful political party will make their lives better. That's all they fucking have. Then you have this one guy who is running for president/mayor/governor, he visits some of our extremely poor communities, shakes a few hands, smiles, takes pictures with children, giving even more emphasis on how fucking awesome their lives will be if they elect him. What do you think it's gonna happen?
We've been experiencing the results of that for all these years.
I'm saying it again, it's not all the government's fault that most of us don't seek to know more about our politicians, because people can have a will of their own and go do whatever they want with their lives. But in a community with no education whatsoever, provided with nothing but futile TV shows and misleading news, filled with lies to show them how wonderful their country is, and how 'charismatic', 'cheerful' and 'peaceful' we are, there is no chance that is gonna happen.
So you are talking about the media manipulation.
You are returning for the starting point of this cycle:
The media is all manipulated by the politicians and by the big companies here in Brazil. And then, they (big companies and politicians) can manipulate the population using the media as a medium. And then, they influence population in their votes. And finally, population vote for politicians who stole money and manipulate them, restarting the cycle.
But you are forgetting that the population do not have only the television as a communication medium. They have their work, their friends, their kids... And I'm sure that at least one of them are not manipulated too. The digital inclusion has reached even in the Favelas. The population certainly can get access to information. They just do not care for it. Ask whoever you want, but very few people will remember who they voted in the last election. Some people just sell your votes as an object. This proves that they do not take it serious. And finally, the television says "vote in politician X", and then they just vote without at least asking "What he will do for our country?" or "Is he reliable?".
I really expect people are learning with those mistakes and then starts to take their duties seriously. Or our country will never get in "Order AND Progress". Always only "In progress". =\
Last edited by iver; Jun 25, 2013 at 08:10 AM.
Even in the case of Favelas having access to internet (which is not, by any chance, as common as it is in a community like ours) you can't seriously think people would just go for it and make productive researches about politics and the such. They just ''don't care''? It's not the case of not caring. Its the case of not being given the chance to stand for what they believe to be right, to be correct, because at no moment in their lives they received education. I mean actual education, not just learning how to make an Ionic Bond. And you should know, there are so many communities in Brazil that are so much worse than Favelas, in terms of welfare and social structure. Do you think you'll be seeing those places on TV? People there live overwhelmed by crime and violence, some of them on the brink of starvation. With no money, no health, no security, nothing that every human being deserves. In many cases their only choice is to engage in a life of crime as well. ''Their work, their friends, their kids'', well, what about them? What information would they get from a kid? What information would they get from their work, or friends? Aren't they all under the same circumstances? please note, a community like a Favela is not something you can compare to your or my community. It's completely different. If you can look for information on your own it doesn't mean that someone who has nothing in life can, specially when they can barely afford their basic needs. Also note that the eagerness for knowledge is a result of an educated mind.
You should remember that most of political campaigns focus on poor communities like Favelas, oh and they invest a lot on it. ''The Media is manipulated''? No, it takes care of itself, the Media itself wants profit, it makes money out of people's ignorance. A nation that thinks, that comes up with its own ideas, opinions, is their worst nightmare. Plus, I don't have anyone among my family or friends that voted randomly for any candidate. Another detail, a politician that has no history of corruption is not necessarily the salvation for a government. What is right for the people to do is happening right now in our streets.
You should remember that most of political campaigns focus on poor communities like Favelas, oh and they invest a lot on it. ''The Media is manipulated''? No, it takes care of itself, the Media itself wants profit, it makes money out of people's ignorance. A nation that thinks, that comes up with its own ideas, opinions, is their worst nightmare. Plus, I don't have anyone among my family or friends that voted randomly for any candidate. Another detail, a politician that has no history of corruption is not necessarily the salvation for a government. What is right for the people to do is happening right now in our streets.
Last edited by Sidvicious; Jun 25, 2013 at 05:24 PM.
