Originally Posted by
Ele
Wibbles is meant to be for the community Arctic (we don't want bs censorship when it's not necessary), not for the staff. You have to occasionally do some moderating and delete some guy being racist with 'nigga'? That's your job, you signed up to moderate. That sort of thing is gonna happen whether this rule changes or not. If you're so concerned about the workload we could institute Wibblecop lmods to delete and report global rule breaking stuff there.
Global rules apply in Wibbles yes, but they also still apply in clan boards and we can still use 'nigga' there in non-abusive ways. Clans are held to that global standard, like Wibbles is, but it also allows the use of 'nigga'. I'm sure you don't think clans are more 'toxic' (whatever that means) than Wibbles, right?
As for why change it, fun factor. Guess what, other people have different ideas of fun than you. Some people find it fun to drop the occasional 'sup niggaaaaa'. I know, I know... How toxic!!!
i explained in my previous post why i think clans can be considered a somewhat private space and i dont agree with censoring people in their clan boards like that. i also explained why wibbles is different from CD.
i wouldn't say "fun factor" alone is a good reason to have a subjective rule. that won't happen. if we need to look at context every single time, that will turn everything into a huge mess, where almost every improper use of a slur (what the fuck even) that results in an infraction will be arguable, since you can just interpret context differently. people
love being borderline offensive with those things. having an actually objective rule makes everything easier to understand, both for staff and community.
also, we provide a bunch of ways to entertain people and make them have fun: there are events, new ranked stuff, clan boards, wibbles and so on, but the best way to have fun is doing something that the staff is strongly against? really? come on now
Originally Posted by
Grohenbird
Could you please stick to actual arguments, rather than ridiculing Ele and using completely unrelated examples as evidence? If you want to be an ass, go be an ass in wibbles. Stay civil here. If you don't like me talking down on you, feel free to ask for my removal. I will not put up with you insulting the users of this board just because you disagree.
?? lol
when did i insult anyone? i might be quite passive aggressive, but i didn't actually insult ele. examples were related to the discussion - read the thread, we were talking about clan discussion x wibbles and i said why i wouldnt like wibbles to be like that. hows it unrelated?
Originally Posted by Grohenbird
As I am fully aware the word "nigger" is very much a terrible word to utter to someone,and I agree that hate speech shouldn't be allowed, context is everything. That has been Ele's argument for quite a while, and as a mediator I have to say his point is perfectly valid.
yeah alright and i disagree
we are not going to have subjective, soft rules. that does not work. im fairly sure this whole slur deal was a subjective rule before, especially because gamemasters punished people that used racist slurs ingame. when it was implemented in the forums, iirc, the rule was still sorta subjective, moderators would consider the context before taking action but that didn't work so well, so we got an objective rule. this
might be wrong, so ignore me if it is.