Originally Posted by illv
Studies can only be consistent up to a certain degree and studies can only account for behavior that's common to the behavior of every kid. What kind of perspective does a doctor or researcher have on a kid that's miles away and living under certain conditions that he/she has no experience being in?
I doubt that any person can gain an insight deep enough to truly make an effective study that would apply to every child. I'm not invalidating any research that you guys might refer to. I'm just saying that it will never be enough and no amount studies will compare to the first hand knowledge and personal involvement of a decent parent.
Unfortunately a 'parent' is not a professional qualification, and unless these parents are have at least 2 kids and somehow mange to perform a double-blind trial then there's no way to tell if beating the kids actually did have a positive effect.
Correlation does not imply causation, which is at best what a parent can observe. A parent does not have the experience, knowledge or training to be able to make an informed decision.
^ I feel that you need to acknowledge the importance of variables such as affection and the relationship of a decent parent to his or her child and the deeper purpose of discipline that goes well beyond the boundaries of obedience.
Do you actually know a responsible and wise adult that grew up under these strictly clinical and scientific methods that you can personally vouch for? Maybe we'll just have to agree that we just don't have a common ground to stand on in regards to this subject if you can't provide that much to move my opinion.
Do you actually know a responsible and wise adult that grew up under these strictly clinical and scientific methods that you can personally vouch for? Maybe we'll just have to agree that we just don't have a common ground to stand on in regards to this subject if you can't provide that much to move my opinion.
Last edited by illv; Aug 11, 2013 at 05:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by illv
^ I feel that you need to acknowledge the importance of variables such as affection and the relationship of a decent parent to his or her child and the deeper purpose of discipline that goes well beyond the boundaries of obedience.
If you are claiming it's unstudiable and can only be known by a true parent, then I disagree completely.
Originally Posted by illv
Do you actually know a responsible and wise adult that grew up under these strictly clinical and scientific methods that you can personally vouch for? Maybe we'll just have to agree that we just don't have a common ground to stand on in regards to this subject if you can't provide that much to move my opinion.
I think you are very confused as to what a study is.
You do realize they don't take a bunch of kids and raise them in laboratories right? Studies are just anecdotes on a macro scale.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
If you are claiming it's unstudiable and can only be known by a true parent, then I disagree completely.
How so? What kind of insight do you have on this?
Are you a parent and have you studied children yourself? or are all your answers based on some body of work that you found on the net?
I'm really interested in hearing your answer.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
I think you are very confused as to what a study is.
You do realize they don't take a bunch of kids and raise them in laboratories right? Studies are just anecdotes on a macro scale.
Oh i do. I'm just putting a bit of emphasis on how coldly lined your comment was when you said that :
Correlation does not imply causation, which is at best what a parent can observe. A parent does not have the experience, knowledge or training to be able to make an informed decision.
It really gave a cold impression to me.
No need to feel derailed.
What's you're reason for standing by your side of the argument anyway? Do you have any actual experience with these things?
I'll come back to this tomorrow. Provide what you can.
Last edited by illv; Aug 11, 2013 at 07:10 PM.
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Originally Posted by Banned
I don't agree, every article I read says it needs to be consistent. So if your child calls you a fuckface 5 times in 1 week, and you swatted him on the first one then you should every time. I also agree that the degree of punishment should fit the crime. Can't swat your kid for every little thing of course.
Oh yes, yes. Certainly. But if your child calls you a fuckface 5 times a week, there IS a problem. You should take actions and not just keep slacking off and just hitting it in the face. Yes, you need to be consistent. The fault was on my part on that, I needed to be more clear. But yea, I agree with you.
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