Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
If you have cis-hetero-penis-in-vagina sex then the woman might get pregnant.
Hyde is saying that by having sex knowing full well that pregnancy is possible, then you should accept the consequences.
But why, when the consequences are not inevitable? If you've stood in the sun until you get skin cancer, do we prevent treatment because you should just accept the consequences? If you drive without a seat belt and sustain injury in a car accident, should we refrain from saving your life since you could have predictably avoided harm?
There's an underlying assumption to your reasoning that the fetus is fully human and should be given the full consideration of any other human, but why that would be so has not been cogently argued.
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Last edited by Thrandir; Jul 21, 2015 at 09:00 PM.
Originally Posted by cigarillo
you realize people have sex for pleasure right? if you have sex for pleasure you ARE NOT looking to have a child.
it seems like this contract is based off sex meant to create a child.
And you have sex understanding that there is a possibility of accidentally conceiving life. The reproductive system, at it's core, is not there for you to bust a nut for 10 seconds of pleasure (male perspective, mind you). It is there to, idk, reproduce? The contract is to prevent women from going homeless or in poverty, because a man came in her and then decided its not his fault.
Originally Posted by Clbck
But why, when the consequences are not inevitable? If you've stood in the sun until you get skin cancer, do we prevent treatment because you should just accept the consequences? If you drive without a seat belt and sustain injury in a car accident, should we refrain from saving your life since you could have predictably avoided harm?
There's an underlying assumption to your reasoning that the fetus is fully human and should be given the full consideration of any other human, but why that would be so has not been cogently argued.
Both of these things imply that the person doing it is a fucking idiot.Its YOUR fault you stood in the sun, its YOUR fault you didn't have a seatbelt on, and likewise its YOUR fault for not taking the precautions in getting someone/yourself pregnant. And, like there are solution to your other fuck ups, there are abortions. And I would like for us to consider how much better this is compared to how we use to handle unwanted births, or even how nature deals with its weaker link children.
And that is just fucking leaving them.
So really, doing this to something that is not quiet define as living, (there are a lot of debates on when a fetus should be given the right to live, see here ) is probably the best way to go.
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If this post doesn't meet you criteria Thrandir, I'd like to note I made it prior to your post, but didn't finish until you where done. I will gladly change anything you don't like.
Last edited by RAWWRH; Jul 21, 2015 at 09:08 PM.
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Originally Posted by Clbck
Edit: And I should add, I see this as more of a public health discussion than anything else. The title question is "Should abortion be illegal?" and the answer to that question is a resounding "no".
I completely agree, but there's also another side to this past the legality of it.
Abortion as you're already fully aware is not something anyone really wants to do, no one wants to be in the situation where they have to get an abortion. It isn't pleasant, for neither the woman or the doctor. I am all for abortion being legal, but I think we have to work towards lowering the number of abortions per year by 90%+ for the sake of everyone. I do not disagree that it is a woman's choice whether or not she wants an abortion, I just think that the choice shouldn't exist in the first place to avoid making it. It isn't an easy decision to make either, it is very hard for someone to decide to have an abortion.
It would be ideal to have a minimal amount of abortions a year, and I'm not saying all pregnancies should be carried out, I'm saying there should be less pregnancies to begin with. In a perfect world, there would be no abortions. In an ideal world, there would be minimal abortions because accidents and crimes do still happen. In the real world, there are a lot more than there should be due to a severe lack of education and other reasons. I mean c'mon, have you seen how expensive decent condoms or other forms of birth control are? There should ideally be 3 choices: Don't have sex, have casual sex but use the best protection available, and
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Last edited by Hyde; Jul 21, 2015 at 10:01 PM.
Hoss.
Im so late but,I dont think that Abortion would be a good idea.
You're actually killing a baby but not developed...
May accidents cause this...or Crimes
You're actually killing a baby but not developed...
May accidents cause this...or Crimes
Running away...
