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As far as I know Switzerland uses a bit modified democracy. They have huge amount of votings. They have referendum of every more important question. But I think it only works at few very educated populations.
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Originally Posted by Chirs View Post
Karl Marx said that a requirement for reaching Communism is a working democracy, so that would put me on the pro-democracy side. Does it look like I am pro democracy, since I am claiming that democracy failed?

Just read through the whole thread and this caught my eye. Firstly there are many different types of communism, Marxist Communism is just one of them. Also Marx believed that certain governments are necessary depending on the times and that governments are bound to change with the ages. Marx is most definitely not pro-democracy, he just acknowledges that it was necessary for the industrial boom but has run it's course. Marx also believes that the next age of government is communism, and honestly Marxist communism is great in theory but it's very unlikely to work in reality due to corruption.

Again America is not a Democracy. A democracy has no bounds while a republic is founded on some inalienable rights, which is the constitution. Honestly democracy isn't doing so well but compared to other forms of government right now I still believe it's the lesser evil. You can always say that communism is the most egalitarian form of government and you'd be 100% correct but in practicality its unattainable.

I'm curious to know what you believe is the best form of government. Not trying to attack you but democracy could be failing but it's been working and it's scalability isn't too bad. Most other forms of governments have terrible histories and major flaws.
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Marx talks about thesis and antithesis.
Thesis: Slaves
Antithesis: Slaveowners

Both fight with each other and form a synthesis.
Synthesis: Lords and servants

Current thesis: Workers
Current antithesis: capitalists
Synthesis: A socialist government (NOT communism)

To reach communism the process must repeat itself to a point where governments become useless and anarchy becomes a thing. That is his true communistic idea that is also Thomas More's Utopia.
Everybody talking about how America is a republic and not a democracy... America's still a democracy. As Chirs and others pointed out, it's a representative democracy. Being a republic doesn't mean America isn't a democracy. I don't know where people continue to get that idea from...
Last edited by Ele; May 29, 2015 at 01:06 AM.
The United States has a "Constitutional Republic." We have never had a democracy. Our Founding Fathers were extremely leary of democracy.
Originally Posted by Pidgenere View Post
The United States has a "Constitutional Republic." We have never had a democracy. Our Founding Fathers were extremely leary of democracy.

Christ...
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Everybody talking about how America is a republic and not a democracy... America's still a democracy. As Chirs and others pointed out, it's a representative democracy. Being a republic doesn't mean America isn't a democracy. I don't know where people continue to get that idea from...

Originally Posted by cocacobra View Post
It's both a constitutional republic and representative democracy.

Representative democracy can be improved. More control on goverment and MP's (even temporary removing their civil rights) to prevent corruption and other shady shady stuff. Also voting on things like its happening in Switzerland.
Originally Posted by xbcz View Post
Representative democracy can be improved. More control on goverment and MP's (even temporary removing their civil rights) to prevent corruption and other shady shady stuff. Also voting on things like its happening in Switzerland.

Thank you for bringing the discussion back on track (:

But would such a solution really work for everyone? Switzerland is in a special place, a very (relatively speaking) small country with unique circumstances that make their way of handling democracy possible.

Such ideas would not work on the USA or many other big democracies, and neither would such big reforms. Many of those big democracies suffer from great amounts of inertia, stubborn fundamentalists and generally speaking a more diverse population with diverse needs.
I cant see political system that can solve all problems that human nature produces. It will always be place for someone to say "this not working". Thats not a reason to give up on election system. Alrternatives are darker.