Haha ok the bashing wasn't as extreme as I expected it to be. Maybe you were taking it easy on me? :P
Fun as in not playing for the win? Fun as in trying new things just to experiment? Fun as in not being so attached to the game that a loss creates so much frustration to rage quit?
If you answered yes to all the questions above, you have got my idea of "fun."
It seems as if you are taking this "Playing to Win" thing a little too seriously...
Sinistah (Cool name by the way) do you know what its for?
Tournaments
Yes Sinistah, that whole guide on playing to win is for tournaments. There are tournaments in Toribash yes, but do you have to make every single match as if you were playing in the finals of a tournament?
Idk about this post and if it makes sense or not.. It seems as if my thoughts never get laid out and explained as deeply as I want it to be but oh well. Theres no changing your views now is there? ;)
And about the gun and the knife situation, it all applies to the situation where you are surprised by the gun/shovel and did not see it coming. The section about the victim I was talking about earlier.
P.S. Dont be jealous of mah flips jus cuz u cant do them
Fun as in not playing for the win? Fun as in trying new things just to experiment? Fun as in not being so attached to the game that a loss creates so much frustration to rage quit?
If you answered yes to all the questions above, you have got my idea of "fun."
It seems as if you are taking this "Playing to Win" thing a little too seriously...
Sinistah (Cool name by the way) do you know what its for?
Tournaments
Yes Sinistah, that whole guide on playing to win is for tournaments. There are tournaments in Toribash yes, but do you have to make every single match as if you were playing in the finals of a tournament?
Idk about this post and if it makes sense or not.. It seems as if my thoughts never get laid out and explained as deeply as I want it to be but oh well. Theres no changing your views now is there? ;)
And about the gun and the knife situation, it all applies to the situation where you are surprised by the gun/shovel and did not see it coming. The section about the victim I was talking about earlier.
P.S. Dont be jealous of mah flips jus cuz u cant do them
I once countered a shovel pretty nice but I didn't save the replay.
I hate shoveling, shovels, and shovelers more than anything else.
That's why I break shovelers' wrists and shovel them.
It's a pretty NooB game. But shoveling is NooBish.
And aren't brown belts NooBs?
I hate shoveling, shovels, and shovelers more than anything else.
That's why I break shovelers' wrists and shovel them.
It's a pretty NooB game. But shoveling is NooBish.
And aren't brown belts NooBs?
Last edited by Kirakage; Feb 9, 2010 at 08:04 AM.
I think the crucial thing is that Toribash is a game of skill and strategy. If you are more skilled than your opponent, then you should still win agains the shovel.
Another thing that bugs me is how many people who are against shoveling shovel back. It completely undermines their own argument, that Toribash should be played for fun, that Toribash is no fun when shovels are used, that shoveling requires no skill. Once you fight back (and don't say "But he started it!"), you aren't trying to have fun and improve yourselves anymore, you're trying to win. You are trying to win after suffering a loss.
And thats the very fact: People are playing to win, whether in tournaments or otherwise. If not, we would have dance marathons in Twinswords all the time, and synchronized hugging in Akido. If you aren't playing to win, then you shouldn't mind losing to shovelers so much to the point that you ragequit. And if you're more skilled than NooBish shovellers, then you should be able to defeat them consistantly.
DaNoob, you knife and gun fight analogy is logically fallacious. Shoveling is used often in Akido, and other mods as well, and should be expected. It's more like you expected to be slashed and instead got stabbed. A gun would be more like your opponent randomly got swords, or the ability to make you spontaniously explode. I think it's ironic you're arguing againt a "noob tactic", considering your username.
Another thing that bugs me is how many people who are against shoveling shovel back. It completely undermines their own argument, that Toribash should be played for fun, that Toribash is no fun when shovels are used, that shoveling requires no skill. Once you fight back (and don't say "But he started it!"), you aren't trying to have fun and improve yourselves anymore, you're trying to win. You are trying to win after suffering a loss.
And thats the very fact: People are playing to win, whether in tournaments or otherwise. If not, we would have dance marathons in Twinswords all the time, and synchronized hugging in Akido. If you aren't playing to win, then you shouldn't mind losing to shovelers so much to the point that you ragequit. And if you're more skilled than NooBish shovellers, then you should be able to defeat them consistantly.
DaNoob, you knife and gun fight analogy is logically fallacious. Shoveling is used often in Akido, and other mods as well, and should be expected. It's more like you expected to be slashed and instead got stabbed. A gun would be more like your opponent randomly got swords, or the ability to make you spontaniously explode. I think it's ironic you're arguing againt a "noob tactic", considering your username.
Last edited by Acavado; Feb 9, 2010 at 09:17 AM.
Seriously guys (Kirakage and Acavado)? I mean you can write @DaNooB23 or quote me in the beginning of your post or something if you are directly talking to me, but to spell out the word noob just how it is in my name (NooB) is a bit childish if ya ask me.. Just sayin :P (That is if those posts were referring to me in the first place)
Also Acavado about the shoveling back.. The easiest and most effective way to counter a shovel (with minimum risk) is to shovel back.
I HATE shovels. But that doesnt mean I dont do them myself (I say when I will do a shovel before the match even starts, usually against friends), especially against a person who I know is gonna shovel me back.
EDIT: Ya know what? Disregard my first paragraph completely.. lets see if we can start a trend ;)
EDIT #2: In response to Acavodo again.. The knife and the gun situation DOES apply in situations where the non-shoveler is NOT expecting a shovel from the shoveler. After the first turn your telling me that the person who is not shoveling is NOT going to be at an extreme disadvantage if the shovelers arms are lowered and pecs contracted
Oh and try harder with the insults.. that last one didn't phase me at all.
Also Acavado about the shoveling back.. The easiest and most effective way to counter a shovel (with minimum risk) is to shovel back.
I HATE shovels. But that doesnt mean I dont do them myself (I say when I will do a shovel before the match even starts, usually against friends), especially against a person who I know is gonna shovel me back.
EDIT: Ya know what? Disregard my first paragraph completely.. lets see if we can start a trend ;)
EDIT #2: In response to Acavodo again.. The knife and the gun situation DOES apply in situations where the non-shoveler is NOT expecting a shovel from the shoveler. After the first turn your telling me that the person who is not shoveling is NOT going to be at an extreme disadvantage if the shovelers arms are lowered and pecs contracted
Oh and try harder with the insults.. that last one didn't phase me at all.
Last edited by DaNooB23; Feb 9, 2010 at 09:55 AM.
Originally Posted by DaNooB23
Seriously guys (Kirakage and Acavado)? I mean you can write @DaNooB23 or quote me in the beginning of your post or something if you are directly talking to me, but to spell out the word noob just how it is in my name (NooB) is a bit childish if ya ask me.. Just sayin :P (That is if those posts were referring to me in the first place)
Also Acavado about the shoveling back.. The easiest and most effective way to counter a shovel (with minimum risk) is to shovel back.
I HATE shovels. But that doesnt mean I dont do them myself (I say when I will do a shovel before the match even starts, usually against friends), especially against a person who I know is gonna shovel me back.
EDIT: Ya know what? Disregard my first paragraph completely.. lets see if we can start a trend ;)
I was quoting Kirakage.
... I was wondering why he was doing that.
Originally Posted by DaNooB23
EDIT: Ya know what? Disregard my first paragraph completely.. lets see if we can start a trend ;)
EDIT #2: In response to Acavodo again.. The knife and the gun situation DOES apply in situations where the non-shoveler is NOT expecting a shovel from the shoveler. After the first turn your telling me that the person who is not shoveling is NOT going to be at an extreme disadvantage if the shovelers arms are lowered and pecs contracted
Oh and try harder with the insults.. that last one didn't phase me at all.
Phase? It was more part of the argument, not the insult. I never argue with insults that aren't part of the argument themselves.
I did not tell you that the person who is not shoveling is not going to be at an extreme disadvatage if the shovelers arms are lowered and pecs contracted.
Guns give an unfair advantage and are illegal in a knife fight; shoveling does not give you an unfair advantage or is illegal in Akido. Or, hacked down to crumb sized pieces, I could state it as thus: You are not allowed to bring a gun to a knife fight, but you are allowed to shovel in Akido. Now, hacking Toribash and somehow giving yourself instant-touch disembodiment powers would be bringing a gun to a knife fight; likewise, doing sumersaults in Akido is like bringing a hula hoop to a boxing match.
If that's not enough of a bashing, I'll bring out my yo mama jokes. :P
Last edited by SmileyJones; Feb 9, 2010 at 02:00 PM.
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