Originally Posted by Hyde

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. I'm glad they're happy, but it usually isn't the case.

http://www.research.va.gov/currents/...all2013-12.cfm

Redundant said it too, mental illnesses inherently have a higher suicide risk. It's a mental illness like many other mental illnesses, and equally as dangerous.

Originally Posted by Zelda

Is being trans a disorder and is it of a necessarily of a harmful nature?

Originally Posted by JSnuffMARS

What the fuck do you mean "function socially"? What the fuck does that even mean. What the fuck is that concept.

If a guy wants something, he may try to get it. I don't understand why would he need a very nice social life for that. Cause social life has to do things with like social skill and a lot with your compatibility with the people someone surrounds himself with or is surrounded by.

If he doesn't get it in a given time limit, he doesn't get it. Not everyone can have everything he wants, that's part of the supply and demand principle.

Like you want big sushi set, you buy the fucking big sushi set
If you want to be a great program, you learn to be a good programmer
If you wanna be a mathematician, you study the fucking math hard and improve your math game a lot
If you wanna to get a gf, you do the drills, you practice your inner and outer game
I don't see social standing in Western world as being some stuff that you can't directly influence over time with work, tbh.

Originally Posted by lumpysolo

I am betting the number is that high because of the amount of assholes out there speaking against transgendered people. I bet its nearly the same with gay people. And are you trying to say that being trans is as dangerous as having something like schizophrenia?

Originally Posted by Hyde

Societal pressure does not raise the number of suicide up by that much. Suicide is not a rational action. A rational person does not commit suicide.

...Societal pressure raises suicide rates by a ridiculous amount, it is the primary cause of most suicides, the person is not rational due to societal pressure, not due to being trans-gender.

And yes, gender dysphoria is inherently as dangerous as schizophrenia/anorexia/major depression

No, it just isnt. One of them is someone believing they should be the opposite gender which has no real negative effect, the others are conditions which can cause 1. Murder, 2. Death from excessive weight loss and malnutrition 3. Suicide.

Suicide from gender dysphoria is never directly attributable to it, if you still disagree, please explain how believing you should be the opposite gender cold lead to a suicide.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl

...Societal pressure raises suicide rates by a ridiculous amount, it is the primary cause of most suicides, the person is not rational due to societal pressure, not due to being trans-gender.
Completely untrue. Societal pressure does not only apply to transgenders. Plenty of demographics have been under tremendous societal pressure, yet don't have near 50% suicide rates. Gays have never had suicide rates that high, neither have blacks, untouchables in india, etc. Not even close. I'm not saying societal pressures don't exist, but it's not responsible for transgenders having the highest suicide rate out of any demographic.


No, it just isnt. One of them is someone believing they should be the opposite gender which has no real negative effect
Have you ever considered that maybe believing you're a different gender is actually quite damaging to someone's mind? It isn't a rational thought. Do you regularly look at yourself in the mirror to affirm your gender? It isn't normal.

the others are conditions which can cause 1. Murder
http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.o...-schizophrenia

5-10% is nothing compared to nearly 50%. It's largely negligible. Besides, we treat schizophrenics as best we can, we don't accommodate them and confirm that yes indeed michael jackson told them to kill osama bin laden.

2. Death from excessive weight loss and malnutrition
http://www.eatingforlife.org/content...ia-and-suicide
This article was before any major research was done on gender dysphoria. Back then, anorexics had the highest suicide rate out of any demographic. They did not die because they starved themselves, as the article confirms, they commit suicide due to self hatred(commonly occurring theme with everything involving suicide. The way to help anorexics isn't to forcefeed them as you imply by saying that. You treat them by providing them with therapy and understanding why they feel that way, before helping them feel differently.

3. Suicide.
And why exactly is that? Could it possibly be for any of the reasons I described above?

No suicide from gender dysphoria is directly attributable to it, if you still disagree, please explain how believing you should be the opposite gender cold lead to a suicide.

Originally Posted by Redundant

With functioning socially I mean functioning as a human being without being self-destructive, chronically depressed or things like that.
Being able to live life and be a productive member of society.
I worded it poorly, my apologies.

Originally Posted by JSnuffMARS

Yeah, the classic. I know of existence of people like that. Yet isn't their true issue that they don't put let's say, steady work over a semi-long period of time into chasing their dreams?

Cause in life, most things are achievable. Degrees, money, fitness, social-skills. Like nobody believes social-skills are trainable, but they actually are.

Originally Posted by Aracoon

Of course they are trainable, but you have to understand that society can be a difficult and confusing place to live in with a mental illness.