Originally Posted by pouffywall

It's also my understanding that if you have a decapprize in a private server, it's against the rules to change the mod. Kinda silly if you ask me.

With the recent clarifications on what is and what isn't private, it could be helpful to alter some of the rules regarding decapprizes and such, since they are mostly catered to public betting servers and become rather silly when you extrapolate them to a couple of dudes playing fun mods in their own private server.

Although, your suggestion is a biiiit sketchy. It seems like it'd just create a lot of complicated situations and wouldn't end up helping much of anything at all, except in a minority of cases.

I like the idea of updating some of the rules regarding decapprizes, but I think a bit more thought should be put into them so they aren't easily worked around, exploited, and rendered useless.

With the recent clarifications on what is and what isn't private, it could be helpful to alter some of the rules regarding decapprizes and such, since they are mostly catered to public betting servers and become rather silly when you extrapolate them to a couple of dudes playing fun mods in their own private server.

Correct, right now i'm currently focused on getting the private server rigging rules changed, as I find it crazy that two friends could possibly for letting him decap you in your own private server you made be banned for the same length as someone rigging a 10k decap prize.

I don't want to have to kick everyone in my own server because I did a silly move and someone saw it and they reported me for letting my friend win.

Originally Posted by Lazors

The private-public distinction is more applied to language. They are there because in public servers you have a responsibility to be respectful towards other players, which has nothing to do with abusing game functions. It's no more ok to rig the prize in a private server than in a public server. The decap prize is seen as a donation - once you put it in you have no right to it. Similar to how you can't farm or expect to get your bet cancelled in a private server.
It's just more problematic if it's done in a betting server because more people are involved with it.



Same action, whether it's public or not. I don't see any reason to why rigging a private server should be punished less harshly.

Because rigging in a private server isn't even a rig? We made the server, we put our tc in, why shouldn't we have control over it? It's a different conversation if you spec or kick someone when they get a decap, but if someone just wants to get tc back that they accidentally put in their server, should they really be banned the same length as people stealing others hard earned tc they put in the dp? If so, I can safely say I have lost all faith in the staffs judgement, as they can't tell the difference between to users trying to get their tc back from their own server, and someone rigging a decap in a public,globaled server.

Rules are still rules whether someone is there to catch you or not.

Feel free to be more specific about which rules to change. If you are able to suggest something substantial that doesn't just take in your perspective as a player but also hinders abuse I'm sure it will at least be considered.

Originally Posted by Lazors

The private-public distinction is more applied to language. They are there because in public servers you have a responsibility to be respectful towards other players, which has nothing to do with abusing game functions. It's no more ok to rig the prize in a private server than in a public server. The decap prize is seen as a donation - once you put it in you have no right to it. Similar to how you can't farm or expect to get your bet cancelled in a private server.
It's just more problematic if it's done in a betting server because more people are involved with it.

Originally Posted by Betting Server Rules and Guidelines

The type of server makes no difference, tournament, betserver, public etc. Decap is public prize and is to ALWAYS BE WON FAIRLY. Any deviation from this rule results in serious punishment...you may not change the mod/rig the prize.

As a further note, if the server is dying, you may not change the mod/rig the prize. The same rules apply, regardless of whether the server is ending. (same but with added line at the bottom)

In private servers, however, decapprizes (and any tc up in the air in general) are under the collective ownership of the contributors of it. Server ownership plays no part.

Originally Posted by Lazors

This is the actual non-modified quote because I think your edit is a bit misleading. Don't argue with me on this, it's just to give the full picture.

How would you keep track of the ownership? It's very hard to know who put in what if you don't have extensive logs.

What do you do if a contributor leaves the server? What if he's kicked? For good reasons? What are good reasons and how much responsibility do we put on the OP to uphold them?

Is it really a private server if the OP is required to show the responsibilities that would be expected in a public servers.
etc

I'm sure you realize how messy the rules are becoming at this point.

Plus, this sends the message that abusing the game is ok. If we treat the decapprize as something retractable instead of a donation, there should be a command for it instead.

Woah there, the op is 100% already expected to uphold the rules and guidelines of the community, and as the person with the power to indiscriminately kick and ban people, he does need to show responsibility in being fair when people's tc are up in the air.

You're kinda forcing it and trying to make it look messy (not to mention you're breaking my heart in the process </3 )

Originally Posted by Lazors

So, if I'm opped and want to play with a friend and some people drop in and start adding to the prize, I'd be locked away from kicking everyone and playing with my friend. A possible solution to this would be to lock down betting/DP until OP enables it.

Originally Posted by Lazors

I'm trying to find complications yes. It's important when considering rule changes.
None of this is unreasonable and I've asked staff to take a look at it.

As an extension to the private server rules, any server whose decapprize has existed during a time when the server was a public server, the decapprize should be treated as public and fall under public server rules. I.e. dead bet servers (whose names have been changed & players in the server have been alterted).