Admins of today are okay i guess, they're trying their hardest but there are some who are trying to be like admins of the past hinting reta which he solely admits to not giving a fuck about anything and not giving a fuck attitude.
Well, we should also consider that the game was released 11 years ago if I'm correct, it's impressive to see it running today with 400+ members. The only thing I'm just looking for is more features for the forum, I know there will be a new game so that's why I don't care about the current game that much. Hopefully new ideas are established to bring up the community again. Keep the good work Creati0n & staff(most of them), I support all of you.
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Red names are doing their jobs in their assigned corners, what more are people supposed to expect from them? It's not like it was in 08/09 where there's a full team of 8 red name admins with nothing to do, that would be pretty dumb.
They have to take all the shit from users that think everything is their fault, pretty daft when you consider they don't have a whole lot to do with changes outside their respective areas - that's the domain of the real horrible people like me and suo. ;)
Kinda funny that "staff were better years ago" statements pop up a lot when the people behind everything are the same ones from back then.
Even when a red wants to make a major change to their area it goes via us.
Of course (as I always have to say) if there's a legitimate serious complaint about someone then PM me about it, but seeing as real complaints that aren't from other staff are incredibly rare I don't expect much.
Oh, and as always keep in mind that this game is fuelled by volunteers that are using their personal time to help out; without them this place would've died a long time ago.
They have to take all the shit from users that think everything is their fault, pretty daft when you consider they don't have a whole lot to do with changes outside their respective areas - that's the domain of the real horrible people like me and suo. ;)
Kinda funny that "staff were better years ago" statements pop up a lot when the people behind everything are the same ones from back then.
Even when a red wants to make a major change to their area it goes via us.
Of course (as I always have to say) if there's a legitimate serious complaint about someone then PM me about it, but seeing as real complaints that aren't from other staff are incredibly rare I don't expect much.
Oh, and as always keep in mind that this game is fuelled by volunteers that are using their personal time to help out; without them this place would've died a long time ago.
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There's a weird staff/non-staff divide that is being perpetuated with threads like these that kinda needs to stop.
Being staff does not separate you from the user base, or it definitely shouldn't.
I can speak now as an ex-admin and now normal team member of ES which is kinda cool.
When I was GM lead there are a lot of things you have to learn to deal with on the go that nobody really tells you about. You get blamed for everything to do with you user group because that obviously comes with the job, and no one actually sees 90% of the work you do. Dealing with complaints isn't something that you get used to either, and there's an obvious leaning towards loyalty. You don't like someone accusing a member of your team, but that's partly why the higher ups are there. To bring cold objectivity to it.
I can name at least 3 times I argued against points where I had to talk with suo/skul/hanz0 about it and realised I needed to re adjust my position. Being defensive of your staff group means you care and are therefore effective in your role as lead.
All of the current leads, save Icky, are pretty new to their jobs as I understand it. Rai knows what he's doing cos he's been round ages but hasn't necessarily headed up a user group as he is doing now. Gonna take time to learn about the role and stuff. Will probably still be learning a year down the line.
The fact that the groups seem to be running smoothly and doing their jobs actively and effectively is kind of amazing tbh, having been a lead when that wasn't strictly the case. Getting things running smoothly is the base on which real improvements can be made, but obviously these things take time. As skul said, volunteers.
I guess tl;dr don't seperate users from staff, everyone is here cos they enjoy toribash, running a user group is harder than even the user group themselves appreciate, current admins are doing A+ imo
Being staff does not separate you from the user base, or it definitely shouldn't.
I can speak now as an ex-admin and now normal team member of ES which is kinda cool.
When I was GM lead there are a lot of things you have to learn to deal with on the go that nobody really tells you about. You get blamed for everything to do with you user group because that obviously comes with the job, and no one actually sees 90% of the work you do. Dealing with complaints isn't something that you get used to either, and there's an obvious leaning towards loyalty. You don't like someone accusing a member of your team, but that's partly why the higher ups are there. To bring cold objectivity to it.
I can name at least 3 times I argued against points where I had to talk with suo/skul/hanz0 about it and realised I needed to re adjust my position. Being defensive of your staff group means you care and are therefore effective in your role as lead.
All of the current leads, save Icky, are pretty new to their jobs as I understand it. Rai knows what he's doing cos he's been round ages but hasn't necessarily headed up a user group as he is doing now. Gonna take time to learn about the role and stuff. Will probably still be learning a year down the line.
The fact that the groups seem to be running smoothly and doing their jobs actively and effectively is kind of amazing tbh, having been a lead when that wasn't strictly the case. Getting things running smoothly is the base on which real improvements can be made, but obviously these things take time. As skul said, volunteers.
I guess tl;dr don't seperate users from staff, everyone is here cos they enjoy toribash, running a user group is harder than even the user group themselves appreciate, current admins are doing A+ imo
So Erth, do you think instead of "expecting" staff to know things on the get-go, to just give them some training instead, like I said in my previous comment,
I don't want to hate staff, but when I have to have some sort of interaction it just turns into a clusterfuck, and even when I have a question they assume the wrong and nearly threatened with banning/infactions, I understand it's just misunderstandings most of the time, and they have a right to think that way cause you know how "cancerous" people on the forums can be, but instead of also being trigger happy to instead keep feelings and staff powers somewhat separate or try to be more understanding.
But I understand staff are just people and I do wish some certain staff know that too.
It also makes me happy that I've met some staff that are pretty cool and helpful (or try to be).
I don't want to hate staff, but when I have to have some sort of interaction it just turns into a clusterfuck, and even when I have a question they assume the wrong and nearly threatened with banning/infactions, I understand it's just misunderstandings most of the time, and they have a right to think that way cause you know how "cancerous" people on the forums can be, but instead of also being trigger happy to instead keep feelings and staff powers somewhat separate or try to be more understanding.
But I understand staff are just people and I do wish some certain staff know that too.
It also makes me happy that I've met some staff that are pretty cool and helpful (or try to be).
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