Originally Posted by WorldEater

honestly i'm surprised they haven't wiped out red and blue yet

Originally Posted by duck

Good afternoon.

• "We are being blackmailed to play the game without any rewards"
  
  To progress from that, we have officially launched our Perk Shop project. I won't get into the nitty-gritty of it here, but there is a thread covering all the important info here: "Clan Perk Points and Shop"
  For questions, please use the thread and we'll answer everything to the best of our abilities. We want this project to be heavily influenced by the community, so we are open to hearing about any and all suggestions you have for the shop itself or additional perks.
  I recognize that this should have come sooner, and I apologize. I can only hope that we can use it now to make sure activity is both kept at a standard and properly rewarded.
  
  Make sure you get rewards for winning a war as well, as they apparently hold a key factor in being active.
  Warring is really boring atm, since nobody cares about clan ranks in the clan list.
  You were way ahead of me it seems.
  
  
• "Clan discords should be counted towards activity"
  
  This one is also somewhat tricky. As mentioned, IRC checks used to be a thing, but were also dropped before my time as lead. With IRC, the argument could be made that there is still somewhat of an association with Toribash.
  But Discord is entirely removed from the community. It does not sit on any sort of toribash server, it's not officially recognized as a Toribash platform.
  Not only that, but monitoring activity is somewhat of a pest. For one, measuring activity with an outside bot is not exactly the most reliable system. Clan ranks in discords are random, some people don't even have a set clan rank.
  Having a bot that's in the hands of someone else in your discord server might be an unappealing idea for some. And it would most likely be very easy to manipulate.
  
  All in all, it boils down to the fact that discord is too removed from the community for us to spend nearly as many resources on trying to count it towards activity as it might require.
  
  Maybe bring back a bit of a manual check. If a clan is in the yellow/red, check their discord. A lot of clans simply play with each other, disregarding the forum. Just check em up and see if they're talking about toribash on an active level or not. An active sparrer might actually be active in the game, just not playing enough games/posting enough on the forums for the activity check.
  
  
• "SP clans are getting the short end of the stick"
  
  This is a troublesome one. On one hand, it's true. If a clan's entire activity comes from SP, there's virtually no way to accurately see that.
  I was pointed out this point before the first check ran and the best way I could measure SP activity is by seeing if clan members have been posting replays.
  Unfortunately, that is basically the best we have at this point in time. On the other hand, SP clans are also a very fringe case, as not a lot of activity in general is coming from singleplayer.
  In any case, if your clan's activity does mostly come from singleplayer, please make sure you are posting replays to the Replays board so I can take that into account.
  
  This is something we have to figure out.
  Post a thread asking for suggestions, and give a few perk points to the one who comes up with a decent one.

Originally Posted by Swepples

"Maybe bring back a bit of a manual check. If a clan is in the yellow/red, check their discord. A lot of clans simply play with each other, disregarding the forum. Just check em up and see if they're talking about toribash on an active level or not. An active sparrer might actually be active in the game, just not playing enough games/posting enough on the forums for the activity check."

This is something that was considered, but ultimately dropped because of the mix of the two reasonings which made us not count it in the first place.
It's not a Toribash platform, it would be too hard to try and measure and reward discord activity, so we unfortunately won't be taking it into account then.


"This is something we have to figure out.
Post a thread asking for suggestions, and give a few perk points to the one who comes up with a decent one"

What I've described is, so far, the best way we had. If we actively get people to post in the Replays board, we can figure out a way to automatically check for replays being posted, so that should be a good way to measure SP activity.
Feel free to post in S&I if any other ideas come to mind, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Originally Posted by duck

As far as I can see, these have been the biggest points of contention with this change.