Original Post
rittu and current false accusations
The first thing i want to talk about is this "racism" that has been going on.
Can someone explain to me how someone is racist against Brazilians without them being a race? It doesn't make any sense. Brazilians are people who live in Brazil. I see how you could be prejudiced against them, but no racism could have possibly occurred.
Secondly,
<Yoyo> fine, rittu was not racist and should've not been demoted.
Why is rittu even demoted? He displayed no form of racism whatsoever on the forums. There are no rules in IRC so this long conversation that has been posted in all of these complaint threads shouldn't change anyone's mind. This post in wibbles where he commented on speaking Portuguese, it isn't racism. He was the overseer of wibbles, he was an admin, so if he wants to tell someone to speak English, well then he should tell them by all means.
Third,
siku is banned. He was the one who was actually "racist". Even he shouldn't have been banned for this. I agree that he was being prejudiced, but there are no rules on IRC. Also i have heard that it wasn't even siku that posted the post that got him banned, so really what are you accomplishing. siku said that it was Imsku, now if you want to do something about that it is your choice. But siku didn't really do anything to break the rules. That being the actually siku, not his account.
And lastly,
What did you Brazilians accomplish? You got an old, funny ninja banned. You got a great admin, MS member, and an overall good guy demoted from his position. You caused a huge ruckus on the forums and in IRC, and you got a ton of people mad.
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, i just think that all of this is really dumb.
Also, I am not prejudiced against Brazilians in any way. I actually liked a bunch of them before all of this happened. void, Yoyo, Matheus, Leonardo, and a few others. They were all cool guys who were fund to have around. Now i get 5 queries in IRC telling me that rittu got demoted (even though i already knew), and i have to go and tell them that i dont agree with it.
So yeah.
Can someone explain to me how someone is racist against Brazilians without them being a race? It doesn't make any sense. Brazilians are people who live in Brazil. I see how you could be prejudiced against them, but no racism could have possibly occurred.
Secondly,
<Yoyo> fine, rittu was not racist and should've not been demoted.
Why is rittu even demoted? He displayed no form of racism whatsoever on the forums. There are no rules in IRC so this long conversation that has been posted in all of these complaint threads shouldn't change anyone's mind. This post in wibbles where he commented on speaking Portuguese, it isn't racism. He was the overseer of wibbles, he was an admin, so if he wants to tell someone to speak English, well then he should tell them by all means.
Third,
siku is banned. He was the one who was actually "racist". Even he shouldn't have been banned for this. I agree that he was being prejudiced, but there are no rules on IRC. Also i have heard that it wasn't even siku that posted the post that got him banned, so really what are you accomplishing. siku said that it was Imsku, now if you want to do something about that it is your choice. But siku didn't really do anything to break the rules. That being the actually siku, not his account.
And lastly,
What did you Brazilians accomplish? You got an old, funny ninja banned. You got a great admin, MS member, and an overall good guy demoted from his position. You caused a huge ruckus on the forums and in IRC, and you got a ton of people mad.
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, i just think that all of this is really dumb.
Also, I am not prejudiced against Brazilians in any way. I actually liked a bunch of them before all of this happened. void, Yoyo, Matheus, Leonardo, and a few others. They were all cool guys who were fund to have around. Now i get 5 queries in IRC telling me that rittu got demoted (even though i already knew), and i have to go and tell them that i dont agree with it.
So yeah.
Making a thread in discussion is incredibly justified, I am now copying the conversations had from IRC to this thread as it seems IRC has a direct and signifigant impact on forums.
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<Bloob> Hyde: You closed my thread because you dont like rittu.
<Bloob> Not nice.
<Hyde> I closed it because it doesnt fit in discussion
<JFX> Hyde, its a discussion topic
<Hyde> Nope.
<Bloob> It completely fits there.
<Bloob> Why doesnt it?
18:07 <JFX> As a third-party toribash player, you were out of line in closing that topic
<Hyde> I was not.
<Hyde> Look at every other thread
<Hyde> And look at that thread
<Bloob> Fine then
<Bloob> Reopen it and move it to rapid threads.
<Hyde> It does not fit in discussion
18:08 <Bloob> Can you do that?
<Hyde> Sure.
<Bloob> Ok thanks.
<Bloob> Or even better
<Hyde> Not sure rt is the best place, but the lmods there can deal with it
<Bloob> Off-topic
<Bloob> Hyde ^
<JFX> current discussion threads
<Hyde> Whatever floats your boat ;o
<Bloob> lol
18:09 <JFX> "Banned and sitting in hall of shame"
<JFX> "Racism in toribasH"
<JFX> "Rittu and current false accusations"
<JFX> Pretty much sounds like serious talk to me
<JFX> I consider it exceedingly unprofessional to remove debate about a person you do not care for, Hyde.
<Bloob> ^
<JFX> Childish, even.
18:10 <Hyde> The closed threads
<Hyde> Are dumb people threads
18:11 <Hyde> Thats why they are CLOSED
<rittu> hanz0: hey, you.
<JFX> They were not closed until they had quite a few posts.
<hanz0> Hi rittu
<rittu> hanz0: What do you think about the current local mods of Discussion?
* Bloob claps
<JFX> Infact, if one looks at the evidence, it seems that those threads were closed due to the posts, yet Bloob's was closed due to the topic
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I'll address the siku issue first. It does not matter who posted with the account. The account owner is responsible for access to that account. If he lets other users use it, then they open up to the possibility that the user may use the account for unlawful purposes. The ban I gave on siku's account, was not a personal attack towards siku. It was a removal of an offending account. Read as, I don't care who happened to be using the account and I refuse to be biased when dealing with these matters, ex-ninja or not I'll treat his account the same as any user's.
Secondly, rittu's demotion. Don't take this as an official note as this thread is the first I have heard on the matter. Admins don't necessarily have a set of rules they must follow whilst doing their job. It's about an un-biased and professional approach towards dealing with the community, be that on IRC, in the forums or in-game. Trolling with ex-staff members is not that. Admins are essentially the link between a regular user and the engineering of the forums as well as the pillars which keep this community standing. As a result, members need to have full confidence in the fact they can be taken seriously and treated fairly. If an admin cannot do that, perhaps he is in the wrong position.
On a side note, Hyde was quite right to move the thread and claiming that he was doing so out of spite is wrong.
Secondly, rittu's demotion. Don't take this as an official note as this thread is the first I have heard on the matter. Admins don't necessarily have a set of rules they must follow whilst doing their job. It's about an un-biased and professional approach towards dealing with the community, be that on IRC, in the forums or in-game. Trolling with ex-staff members is not that. Admins are essentially the link between a regular user and the engineering of the forums as well as the pillars which keep this community standing. As a result, members need to have full confidence in the fact they can be taken seriously and treated fairly. If an admin cannot do that, perhaps he is in the wrong position.
On a side note, Hyde was quite right to move the thread and claiming that he was doing so out of spite is wrong.
Last edited by Fee; Apr 11, 2011 at 02:10 AM.
Originally Posted by Fee
I'll address the siku issue first. It does not matter who posted with the account. The account owner is responsible for access to that account. If he lets other users use it, then they open up to the possibility that the user may use the account for unlawful purposes. The ban I gave on siku's account, was not a personal attack towards siku. It was a removal of an offending account. Read as, I don't care who happened to be using the account and I refuse to be biased when dealing with these matters, ex-ninja or not I'll treat his account the same as any user's.
Secondly, rittu's demotion. Don't take this an official note as this thread is the first I have heard on the matter. Admins don't necessarily have a set of rules they must follow whilst doing their job. It's about an un-biased and professional approach towards dealing with the community, be that on IRC, in the forums or in-game. Trolling with ex-staff members is not that. Admins are essentially the link between a regular user and the engineering of the forums as well as the pillars which keep this community standing. As a result, members need to have full confidence in the fact they can be taken seriously and treated fairly. If an admin cannot do that, perhaps he is in the wrong position.
On a side note, Hyde was quite right to move the thread and claiming that he was doing so out of spite is wrong.
The end of the first paragraph is something that all moderators of any level should take into account.
