Originally Posted by
Redundant
Yes of course it is fair to exploit a strength but not a weakness.
Originally Posted by
protonitron
You could argue that a whole range of environmental factors determined by gender can lead to suitability in certain roles, this combined with the genuine physical trends in strength and size owe themselves to the justification of such a system. I accept that conscription only being applied to one sex is unfair, but I also feel like the injustice of conscription itself can blur the actual standalone discrimination into being less just than it is in reality. It seems feasible to argue that conscription might not fit the criteria of sexism as long as the just nature of assuming men more fit for conscription can be proven.
To summarise, it does not matter how much it sucks that men have to suffer more than women in this instance if the belief that men are more suited to such a role is logical or justified.
To be honest I would struggle to pull together a convincing argument that such blatant discrimination was justifiable, but I felt like I should point out that there is such an argument to be had if you enjoy disagreeing with pig.
I think you guys are both wrong, especially Redundant for his 0 effort drive-by post.
If you want the stronger force, then logically you should pick the strongest soldiers. Does this mean you should divide your populations into 2 groups, average their respective strengths, then send the group with the highest average strength off to fight/die?
No. Unless you want to argue that ALL women are inferior to ALL men, it is not logical to select only 1 gender to fight. Logically you want the strongest to fight regardless of their gender.
Gender conscription is based on gender stereotyping that it's the man's role to fight.
Originally Posted by
protonitron
Perhaps we could look in more detail at the countries that still have conscription for men and compare it to the way those countries treat women. By the sound of it most of them (judging by the fact kyure said " have pretty bad wraps for both sexes (Middle East, Northern Africa and Northern Asia). However, you would have to pray that immortal pig doesn't notice that you went back on your claim that sexism against men and that against women are incomparable. I am not willing to do research for you right now but it might be worth looking into to balance this debate.
I don't know what you plan to accomplish, all you are going to find is countries within similar geographic areas have similar laws.
The wiki article on conscription has a map (but strategically does not count selective services as conscription) and you can clearly see there's no real correlation.