Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Some homework for you, learn what "product placement" is, and perhaps google some economics - try to learn "why would someone pay for something that has a similar free equivalent?".
It is honestly a little bit funny that you think a multi-million dollar budget television can survive on sneaking coke cans in and the purchases of die-hard fans.
I'm wondering if you've ever tried to sell or distribute your own creative work only to have it instantly rehosted for free on a website. If something about that doesn't intensely bother you from an ethical perspective then I'm not sure this conversation is worth having.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne
It is honestly a little bit funny that you think a multi-million dollar budget television can survive on sneaking coke cans in and the purchases of die-hard fans.
I would think the majority of money comes from derivative sales not sales of the work itself.
There are plenty of works entirely funded by product placement, so I don't think your argument has any validity or grounding in reality.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
I'm wondering if you've ever tried to sell or distribute your own creative work only to have it instantly rehosted for free on a website. If something about that doesn't intensely bother you from an ethical perspective then I'm not sure this conversation is worth having.
Of course not.
It would be hypocritical of me to think that infinite resources should be free, then turn around and artificially inflate something I made. I've worked as a dev for internal tools group, where piracy doesn't matter, and as a dev for a commercial software group where we sold hosting etc and were commissioned to make the software.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
I'm pretty sure the discussion already happened once, but I can't find it again...
I'm a creative, and I'm all for 'piracy'. I'm talking about art and "piracy", softwares are a different matter.
My music doesn't bring me any income yet, still I don't care if people would listen to it/ download it for free, that would actually please me. Most creative people/artists make their own shiz for something deeper than money : for ideas, a message, to touch people, make people think etc... If you want to be rich and comfortable you simply don't start an "artistic career".
But imo, piracy is a transitional state between our actual industry-controlled culture and the possibility of free culture, accessible by everyone, everywhere, free-ed from the money sucking industry. Piracy isn't bad, it's the promise of better days for culture, it's the middle finger given to the big producers/editors.
Plus, piracy isn't really a big deal for the artists themselves, but for their producers. Artists are paid shit. If you're not Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga you can put your hope of having a decent income from album/online songs sales up your ass.
'Piracy format' will get ourselves rid of the dictating "art industry", it will go directly from the creatives to the audience/public, no more industry-parasit sucking the money inbetween.
I'm a creative, and I'm all for 'piracy'. I'm talking about art and "piracy", softwares are a different matter.
My music doesn't bring me any income yet, still I don't care if people would listen to it/ download it for free, that would actually please me. Most creative people/artists make their own shiz for something deeper than money : for ideas, a message, to touch people, make people think etc... If you want to be rich and comfortable you simply don't start an "artistic career".
But imo, piracy is a transitional state between our actual industry-controlled culture and the possibility of free culture, accessible by everyone, everywhere, free-ed from the money sucking industry. Piracy isn't bad, it's the promise of better days for culture, it's the middle finger given to the big producers/editors.
Plus, piracy isn't really a big deal for the artists themselves, but for their producers. Artists are paid shit. If you're not Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga you can put your hope of having a decent income from album/online songs sales up your ass.
'Piracy format' will get ourselves rid of the dictating "art industry", it will go directly from the creatives to the audience/public, no more industry-parasit sucking the money inbetween.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
I would think the majority of money comes from derivative sales not sales of the work itself.
You would be wrong in the case of music, books, and most movies.
Unless you deliberately reference the far end of the spectrum in an effort to confuse the argument, but you would never equate JK Rowling with the average author or anything equally misguided (not that JK Rowling ALSO doesn't make almost all of her money off of sales of her works themselves).
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
There are plenty of works entirely funded by product placement, so I don't think your argument has any validity or grounding in reality.
This is quality humor. Please provide a list of these works and how much they gross.
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