Originally Posted by Bulletron

I'm Christian and I believe that God is not some bearded man with a white robe. I believe He's everything. Sun, stars, dirt, plants, that slice of pizza you just ate.

Originally Posted by Arglax

Here's one from me:

"If God is omnipotent, can he make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it himself?"

I've heard that one many times, and I think it's one of the most stupid, outrageously ridiculous arguments that have withstood time and logic.

+1 for who can actually post a logical solution to this 'argument'.

Originally Posted by Bulletron

I'm Christian and I believe that God is not some bearded man with a white robe. I believe He's everything. Sun, stars, dirt, plants, that slice of pizza you just ate. I also believe that He organized evolution. There was a point where humans and apes split up on the evolutionary path. Why God did that, I don't know,but he did it. I also believe that the famous story of Adam and Eve was nothing more than a parable to explain the imperfections of human beings.

Originally Posted by Arglax

"If God is omnipotent, can he make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it himself?"

Originally Posted by Bulletron

I also believe that the famous story of Adam and Eve was nothing more than a parable to explain the imperfections of human beings.

Originally Posted by BenDover

The book of Genesis, while based on some factual events, is not at all a factual book, merely written by the forefathers of the church to depict the greatness of God.

Originally Posted by BenDover

Yes, he could, God doesnt even lift.
God has never lifted, ever.
doesnt mean he cant move it though, weight has nothing to do with will.

Although, if we start debating semantics, we could argue that the one part of the trinity(God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all being one in the same), then God the Son (aka Jesus) physically interacted with things and stuff, in which case, could God the Father, make a rock so heavy, that God the Son didnt have enough faith to lift?
See, the bible makes a pretty big deal of doing impossible things by having faith in God (healing the sick, raising the dead, walking on water etc). Believing that God will give you the strength to move the rock etc.
Theoretically, yes, if God the Father intended for for God the Son to never lift the rock, then no matter how much faith he had, God wouldnt give him the strength to lift it, because of divine design, then yes, God could make a rock too heavy for himself to lift.

But again, that still doesnt say that he could not move it.

or something.
I may have lost the plot somewhere in the middle there.

Originally Posted by Redundant

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He either has the power to take his own power away or he is not omnipotent - this is a possible solution to the problem I think.

Originally Posted by Bulletron

I'm Christian and I believe that God is not some bearded man with a white robe. I believe He's everything. Sun, stars, dirt, plants, that slice of pizza you just ate. I also believe that He organized evolution. There was a point where humans and apes split up on the evolutionary path. Why God did that, I don't know,but he did it. I also believe that the famous story of Adam and Eve was nothing more than a parable to explain the imperfections of human beings.

Originally Posted by deprav

Hmmm, I'm sorry I'm not gonna play the op game, simply because I can't. From my point of view science and faith aren't necessarily seperate.
I think someone entirely religious (creationists, lets say it) sadly lacks critical thinking, while someone who rejects any idea of something that could be called "god" lacks a great deal of spirituality. And both are necessary to accomplish a regretless life.

Sciences answer the "how ?", while faith & spirituality answer the "why ?".

For instance, I base my "faith" on logic and factual observations, just like science, and came to my own perception of "god". According to myself, god isn't a conscious being or some religious crap (sorry) ; it's something primal, it's the order out of chaos (what we call time, space, matter and interactions etc...), it's the fact anything that lives inherently knows its own purpose is to keep on living, it's the evolution of all the things depending on each others and influencing each others. It's really hard to put words on it ;p

But concretely, once you've came to accept and understand there's something beautiful and elusive in everything, no real purpose to life but living, and grasp the entirety of the universe, it gives you a satisfying and calming faith... and convictions about your own life.
Then you know, there's something greater to do than living a selfish material life, that's a warm feeling you want to share with everyone. That's what having faith is, that's not blindly following some books from another time without even questioning them, that's just being stupid.