Originally Posted by Gum

1. In the US, most theaters are now not allowing anyone to wear costumes or masks into a movie anymore.

2. Felony Murder Rule. Look it up

3. Umm, if someone in the crowd shoots back at the crazy guy in front of everyone, its kind of obvious.

4. Movie theaters don't have security guards. Most individual theaters inside the main building each have their own emergency exits, so he likely walked right to the back door of that theater and went in.

Now yes, most of this stuff probably only applies in the US. Hopefully this disclaimer is enough to satisfy all of you US hating assholes who think we all know nothing and carry around bazooka's.

Originally Posted by Lazors

1. Good!

2. My point wasn't the punishment itself, but the morals in missfiring a gun, killing someone by accident.

3. You forgot about the tear gas. Not to mention the chaos when an armed madman enters a room with unprepared visitors and starts shooting.

4. You have a point, but i really think movie theatres should have some sort of alarm device (not sure if this theatre had one or not) since when you go out through an emergency exit, there is usually a good reason.




I'm an American citizen, although I'm at the moment occupied in Sweden. And I don't hate America, but to think the country is perfect is just plain stupid.

I also think you know something, which is why we are having a discussion, preferably without calling each other assholes.

Originally Posted by PlagueDoc

I live in a country with strict gun control and I can guarantee that it only helps the criminal.
There is no plausible argument to be against civilian guns, countries like mine that ban them still have a ridiculous amount of illegal guns flooding the streets. It basically means that everyone that wants to walk within the law is properly fucked because the guns will be there, legal or not, and criminals will use it, no matter how much control you put into it.


I just think that some states in the U.S go a little too much crazy about the right to bear firearms.

I heard that you can buy ammo from Wallmart. Of course there needs to be some limits and good regulations.

Originally Posted by kball

i agree with this guy and nd gum Some kids should just stop posting (kball)
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if they make murder legal i wanna see how long it takes u to purchase a firearm

The numbers don't support your claims that the guns kills the owner more than it protects.First of all let's be very clear about something: allowing guns doesn't mean everybody will have one on their waists in every public place and shooting all the time. It should be a very restrict proccess, the same for getting ammunition. Regulations doesn't mean taking all the guns away, just controlling it with inteligence.

No, the armed forces does not make your gun useless. All it takes is a little bit of research to find out how many men protected their families while the police was coming. If you think that the gun only works in movies and in reality you suddenly become a sloppy moron who can't even shoot at someone and all the criminals suddenly become professional hitmen that will always have you on the worst situation, then you're wrong.

Of course giving guns away like it's candy it's a pretty stupid thing to do, but it doesn't mean guns are "evil" and that it should be outright banned...
A dude walks in the cinema and kills 12 people in a gun happy country. The media makes it look like a genocide.
Meanwhile drug dealers tortures and murders 20 families in a country with no civilian guns. Nobody cares, just another day.

It's not just about shooting, there is a psychological effect going on. The criminal is not suicidal, he probably fears being shot. He'll think twice before doing anything, if there is any chance of the victim being armed.

Originally Posted by PlagueDoc

The numbers don't support your claims that the guns kills the owner more than it protects.
First of all let's be very clear about something: allowing guns doesn't mean everybody will have one on their waists in every public place and shooting all the time. It should be a very restrict proccess, the same for getting ammunition. Regulations doesn't mean taking all the guns away, just controlling it with inteligence.

Originally Posted by PlagueDoc

No, the armed forces does not make your gun useless. All it takes is a little bit of research to find out how many men protected their families while the police was coming. If you think that the gun only works in movies and in reality you suddenly become a sloppy moron who can't even shoot at someone and all the criminals suddenly become professional hitmen that will always have you on the worst situation, then you're wrong.

Originally Posted by PlagueDoc

Of course giving guns away like it's candy it's a pretty stupid thing to do, but it doesn't mean guns are "evil" and that it should be outright banned...
A dude walks in the cinema and kills 12 people in a gun happy country. The media makes it look like a genocide.
Meanwhile drug dealers tortures and murders 20 families in a country with no civilian guns. Nobody cares, just another day.

Originally Posted by PlagueDoc

It's not just about shooting, there is a psychological effect going on. The criminal is not suicidal, he probably fears being shot. He'll think twice before doing anything, if there is any chance of the victim being armed.

Originally Posted by kball

Sirkill~. If a criminal needs a gun, he'd get a gun whether there was a law preventing it or not, look at gang bangers, they have guns and theyre probably not legal.


Like in mexico the police are basically locked in a civil war with the cartels. The cartels however are aquairing a lot better firepower than the police. The answer from where they're getting they're firearms are black market arms dealerssame as gang bangers as stated above. legal weapons are not the problem. This incident is a problem that is just almost unstoppable.
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Murder rates are determined by socio‐economic and cultural factors. In the United States, those factors include that the number of civilian‐owned guns nearly equals the population— triple the ownership rate in even the highest European gun ownership nations—and that vast numbers of guns are kept for personal defense. That is not a factor in other nations with comparatively high firearm ownership. High gun ownership may well be a factor in the recent drastic decline in American homicide. But even so, American homicide is driven by socio‐economic and cultural factors that keep it far higher than the comparable rate of homicide in most European nations.

The result is that high crime nations that ban guns to reduce crime end up having both high crime and stringent gun laws, while it appears that low crime nations that do not signifi‐ cantly restrict guns continue to have low violence rates.

Whether causative or not, the consistent international pattern is that more guns equal less murder and other violent crime. Even if one is inclined to think that gun availability is an important factor, the available in‐ ternational data cannot be squared with the mantra that more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death. Rather, if firearms availability does matter, the data consistently show that the way it matters is that more guns equal less violent crime.