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@Moonshake disagree with you on judo, i am judoka myself, but i would rather add judo to traditional MA. It is effective, but even the way you spar at judo is kinda nonstreet.

Me personally would recommend Sambo (i switched judo to sambo at one point), which is basically KGB version of judo, with punches and kicks. Also Sambo itself concentrated around effectiveness, not stylish throws, kicks or punches.

And of course the best defence from big guys are fast legs


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In all seriousness here: none.Best thing to do is to have no fear to hit sensitive areas such as balls (preferred), eyes (also preferred), nose and neck. Knowledge wins.
I am almost sure Kravmaga teaches this kind of stuff tho.
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Originally Posted by USB View Post
@Moonshake disagree with you on judo, i am judoka myself, but i would rather add judo to traditional MA. It is effective, but even the way you spar at judo is kinda nonstreet.

Me personally would recommend Sambo (i switched judo to sambo at one point), which is basically KGB version of judo, with punches and kicks. Also Sambo itself concentrated around effectiveness, not stylish throws, kicks or punches.

And of course the best defence from big guys are fast legs

This is a fair point, and it also definitely depends on the judo gym itself -- like every gym, it entirely depends what is in the curriculum, e.g., if throws involving leg grips are still taught, how much ground game technique is taught, etc.

However, if I'm in an area where there's only karate gyms (where there's a high likelihood they're all "black belt factories"), and a judo gym, I'm going to choose the judo gym.

Sambo is very interesting and worth mentioning too, although I will admit I don't know that much about it. However, I do know that a sambo gym will be much harder to find than everything else I've mentioned, unless you live in a post-soviet country of course.

If I'm not mistaken, yuki lives in Mozambique (according to his profile), and because they speak Portuguese, I'd say there is *some* hope in finding a Brazilian jiu-jitsu gym. Checking Wikipedia, Mozambique has also had competitors in Olympic judo since 2008, so I figure there must be a judo gym somewhere over there as well.

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Bareknuckle boxing is usually what goes down in streetfights, if you're conscious of bigger people then put on some weight yourself too, a hybrid of modern boxing and bareknuckle boxing would play into a streetfight good
Really depends on scenario tbh, if its a true 1 on 1 jiu jistsu for sure, if ur in a club and his friends are around, any striking discipline should be enough if you hit first and leave after. Street fighting is really something u only want to do if u have to. Depending on where you live at people don't fight anymore, they shoot/stab.
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Originally Posted by Viraly0 View Post
Really depends on scenario tbh, if its a true 1 on 1 jiu jistsu for sure, if ur in a club and his friends are around, any striking discipline should be enough if you hit first and leave after. Street fighting is really something u only want to do if u have to. Depending on where you live at people don't fight anymore, they shoot/stab.

That's true man!
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Originally Posted by Berzerk View Post
wing chun, tf will big bro do when i gouge his eyes out

LMFAO 😂
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Originally Posted by sirkill1 View Post
Parkour. Just run away lol

Best chance of survival... But I got myself a oil spray (pepper spray like) just for safety.
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Originally Posted by mainland View Post
Bareknuckle boxing is usually what goes down in streetfights, if you're conscious of bigger people then put on some weight yourself too, a hybrid of modern boxing and bareknuckle boxing would play into a streetfight good

Helpful...
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Originally Posted by Moonshake View Post
This is a fair point, and it also definitely depends on the judo gym itself -- like every gym, it entirely depends what is in the curriculum, e.g., if throws involving leg grips are still taught, how much ground game technique is taught, etc.

However, if I'm in an area where there's only karate gyms (where there's a high likelihood they're all "black belt factories"), and a judo gym, I'm going to choose the judo gym.

Sambo is very interesting and worth mentioning too, although I will admit I don't know that much about it. However, I do know that a sambo gym will be much harder to find than everything else I've mentioned, unless you live in a post-soviet country of course.

If I'm not mistaken, yuki lives in Mozambique (according to his profile), and because they speak Portuguese, I'd say there is *some* hope in finding a Brazilian jiu-jitsu gym. Checking Wikipedia, Mozambique has also had competitors in Olympic judo since 2008, so I figure there must be a judo gym somewhere over there as well.

Thanks man, that means a lot... I got myself a oil spray (pepper spray like) for the moment 😳
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Originally Posted by Arakata View Post
In all seriousness here: none.Best thing to do is to have no fear to hit sensitive areas such as balls (preferred), eyes (also preferred), nose and neck. Knowledge wins.
I am almost sure Kravmaga teaches this kind of stuff tho.

Facts ngl.
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Originally Posted by USB View Post
If you carry a gun you multiply chances of being shot (when you taking it out)

@Moonshake disagree with you on judo, i am judoka myself, but i would rather add judo to traditional MA. It is effective, but even the way you spar at judo is kinda nonstreet.

Me personally would recommend Sambo (i switched judo to sambo at one point), which is basically KGB version of judo, with punches and kicks. Also Sambo itself concentrated around effectiveness, not stylish throws, kicks or punches.

And of course the best defence from big guys are fast legs

The best defence against big guys is a gun lmao
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Originally Posted by Egoist View Post
Buy a gun

Perfect.
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bro there is hella lot of techniques in those disciplines to learn, size of an opponent is valuable also weight and etc, ofc you wouldn't do a suplex against 200cm/200kg guy when you are about 60kg/150cm by yourself, he will just fall upon you (that's an absurd, but example)and in fight you wouldn't care much about calculations, like in anime or something


you better go in mma school or any mixed martial art, it also would be much better, and you will understand what kind of techniques easy for you to learn, anything can be suitable in case of self-defense against a guy which is just larger


if you okay with striking, but bad with grappling/takedowns or whatever, you should choose something more specialised which focused exactly on stuff you don't understand, it's like a matter of practice and time


i can be wrong, but it's better to start from "neutral" territory, which can make a suitable introduction for you, how the hell it feels to fight against people which is more experienced than you, almost at anything (well it feels bad, lmao, but anyway) and after that, you ofc can go to boxing school or judo dojo


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Originally Posted by yuki View Post
I was thinking about karate... Anyone has experience with defending yourself against bigger guys?

Certain Karate systems have curriculums transferrable to unrestricted fighting; but, I would recommend just going to a MMA school if possible. Purely for the reason that it's easier on the wallet and allows you access to different arts at the same place at different times at worthwhile places. Boxing, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling, MMA, these are the types of programs and classes you usually want to see when you're selecting a gym. Having a couple fighters there with decent accolades is preferred. Fighters beyond the national level (think LFA or Tuff n Uff) are preferable; but, that could also result in more expensive gym fees. This is to learn a good base for fighting.


Learning self defense specific tactics is usually something that is more conceptual in nature. Meaning, you've already trained in ingraining the mechanics behind each strike into your muscle memory: your jab, your cross, your roundhouse, your elbow, your knee, etc. A self defense curriculum usually entails a spectrum of escalation relative to the threat you are encountering, never going beyond what can be perceived as your legal limits. This includes de-escalatory tactics and active situational awareness skills. In the event you are forced to escalate your own force, it can vary from a level of a simple physical control to that of lethal force, causing death. It is imperative you familiarize yourself with the legislation in your country/state regarding self defense and lethal force. Learning to modify your strikes for self-defense is somewhat nuanced and does take time refining on its own, separate from what you would do typically in a fight with a competent person.
Going beyond that, learning offensive tactics for lethal force scenarios is something you can explore in firearms and small blades proficiency programs. Certain Filipino Martial Art styles, Kali, Jeet Kune Do, and other mixed programs available to law enforcement and security are all worthwhile exploring. Attending firearms seminars or proficiency courses near yourself would beneficial. But nothing is as beneficial as good as simple practice. Dryfiring your firearm at home and putting rounds in at the range. Maybe even opting for airsoft or devices like the MantisX to aide you in additional training. Some people will argue against concealed carry for self-defense usage. As a person who has been involved in multiple shootings and other weapons involved incidents having worked as an armed security officer, it's not a good feeling to hear bullets flying over and to not be able to do anything about it. Additionally, when properly trained, the gun can defeat the knife at any distance; of course, it will always also depend on the proficiency of the knife wielder versus your own. However, in order to make sure you can effectively use your firearm in a close quarters situation after you've trained in your basic handling and trigger control, you require the understanding of the clinch: controlling, isolating, framing to create distance and make usage of your draw.

So, in all, the journey to learning a system of self-defense doesn't really end with one art, nor does it end with your hands. It doesn't really end ever. If guns aren't legal in your country, god bless. If small blades are punished sternly in your country, god bless. I support banning weapons; but, unfortunately, I live in a country and state where weapons are easily obtainable by crazy people. As a martial artist, part of what I train is for competition, part of what I train is for the defense of myself and others. In order to fight against weapons, I have to learn how to wield them as well. I know, hearing the hypothetical of "what if a madman comes into the club you're working at and start shooting people?" is kinda out there, until it happens to you personally and people you care about get hurt.
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