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Matchmaking feedback thread
With 5.0 we've added a new matchmaking feature for more competitive play. The system is still very much in development and I'd like to get community feedback on how we can make it better.
Here are a couple categories of things that have been brought up, to get the conversation started (Feel free to add new things, though):
Below I'll try to compile the suggestions I receive:
Known issues:
Here are a couple categories of things that have been brought up, to get the conversation started (Feel free to add new things, though):
- Season length - currently set to 1 month, suggested 3
- # of games played - currently BO3
- Calculating global/category rank - currently elo is by mods and I think global rank is an average
- Appropriate penalty for leaving matchmaking games
Below I'll try to compile the suggestions I receive:
- Custom win/loss icons (In place of the current x/o)
- Change selection icons to empty square / checkbox
- Match history
- Better notification/confirmation for matchmake
Known issues:
- Elo penalty is applied to both users - should be fixed in next patch
- Some users reporting that matchmaking isn't properly connecting them to a private room, instead moving them to a lobby with multiple players queued
- Matchmaking seems to be selecting grappling regardless of category(s) selected
- Matchmaking is not pausing while playing a fight
- Matchmaking sometimes skips replay and goes straight to next fight
- Grab status persisting between matchmaking fights, even if mod changes to one without grab
Last edited by hanz0; Mar 29, 2016 at 07:44 PM.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl
in the current sumore my matches are usually won through hooking of legs/groin so Im not sure I entirely agree with you there. However I do concede that the older sumore mods were certainly more grappling focused. I maintain that grappling is the best place for it though.
1. Im not completely sure what you mean by feet first handpushing so I cant comment, I would like to see an example of what you mean.
2. I see what you mean, however as a result of the ed I have only seen 1 of many snapkicks in this mod result in a win, the speed does however disadvantage all out defense, which makes the games more attacking based and more interesting to play. Personally I can see how this could be viewed as an issue however within an undeniably mediocre sample size of my matches in this mod and its predecessor/alpha version of the mod (rekbo) it has been very consistent in terms of who won the match. E.g fallu was far better than me at the mod and won 7/8 games.
3. It is relatively untested but has been tested in the form of rekbo, however as mentioned above it is in the matchmaking system to be tested, as it was always clear there would be teething problems. The way I see this current period is as a testing of the matchmaking system and all its parts, so it is being tested by the community actively now and its therefore good to see it is being noticed and discussed.
Thanks for the proper response. I cant exactly agree with those but I have just a little exp with the mod, so I cant just say that what you're saying is wrong.
What I mean by handpushing is going vertical with contracted knees and pushing forward with hands, like you do in lenshu and rkmma.
Originally Posted by panttersin
Thanks for the proper response. I cant exactly agree with those but I have just a little exp with the mod, so I cant just say that what you're saying is wrong.
What I mean by handpushing is going vertical with contracted knees and pushing forward with hands, like you do in lenshu and rkmma.
I think I know what you mean, I think the tfs are low enough for this to be countered through defensive grabs or kicking, however I have yet to see this tactic used at all
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Mods should be held together by a similar way of playing them. I don't think it's reasonable to throw in mods that are intended to be played differently from other mods in the same category. It doesn't promote diversity the way you think it does. I think a veto system like numbers mentioned will give the selection more freedom, but there still shouldn't be mods that have so little in common with the other mods.
I was surprised to see the mod list not randomized. I think this is kind of a waste, but it might be ok with a bit of circulation. I understand that this is probably not the final result.
Since the striking category is 2/3 wushu-like mods right now, it could be a good idea to split the category into sub-categories (low grav, med grav, high grav) so that players can select which mod type they want. This sounds messy, but bear with me. It should work like the checkbox system matchmake already has, so after selecting striking you have the option to select between the sub-categories, or select all/none of them.
A player who selected all mods could get matched with one who selected a specific category and would then play 3 games of that specific category. If he's matched up with someone who chose all mods, the mod selection would instead pick from all of the categories.
Aikido could be split into similar categories, since there are people who enjoy damage aikido and people who don't. This is imo less important though.
I understand that this is not a priority, but it's worth throwing out there. I suspect the people who are working on this might think it's unimportant, but the playerbase is very split on this and forcing people to play things out of their comfort zone will turn people away from using the system.
I had no real issues with the system otherwise. It's a little annoying that the win/loss/quit message holds in your keypresses (if you get the message while holding a key you have to push it again to cancel) but that's about it.
I was surprised to see the mod list not randomized. I think this is kind of a waste, but it might be ok with a bit of circulation. I understand that this is probably not the final result.
Since the striking category is 2/3 wushu-like mods right now, it could be a good idea to split the category into sub-categories (low grav, med grav, high grav) so that players can select which mod type they want. This sounds messy, but bear with me. It should work like the checkbox system matchmake already has, so after selecting striking you have the option to select between the sub-categories, or select all/none of them.
A player who selected all mods could get matched with one who selected a specific category and would then play 3 games of that specific category. If he's matched up with someone who chose all mods, the mod selection would instead pick from all of the categories.
Aikido could be split into similar categories, since there are people who enjoy damage aikido and people who don't. This is imo less important though.
I understand that this is not a priority, but it's worth throwing out there. I suspect the people who are working on this might think it's unimportant, but the playerbase is very split on this and forcing people to play things out of their comfort zone will turn people away from using the system.
I had no real issues with the system otherwise. It's a little annoying that the win/loss/quit message holds in your keypresses (if you get the message while holding a key you have to push it again to cancel) but that's about it.
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Originally Posted by PACKET
Matchmaking is not working in the sense that it just puts you into a random category regardless of what you select. (Almost always Grappling)
And, why is Sumo_re in the grappling category?
Ideas:
Make ranks only achieved through matchmaking.
Improve the advertisement of this feature. (Make everyone aware this is important aspect of toribash)
Actually test it before releasing... (Kappa)
Believe me when I say that this has been as frustrating for me as it has for you. There was a pretty extensive beta period where matchmaking seemed to be working as expected (category selection actually meaning something, etc.) yet somehow that all broke when we released.
Much of my time since release has been spent relaying issues to the dev team and talking with users about how we can improve the system, and while I realize that doesn't change the fact of the buggy release, I wanted to make it clear that we're not just tossing this into the wild and ignoring it.
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