Originally Posted by FistofLife

is this thread fking troll or smthing

I said this almost a year ago srsly look
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And btw, lobbys ranked 1-500 is basically nothing, there is about 20 good players on toribash so 500 just = noob farming

Originally Posted by cowmeat

A bit off topic, fist you say 20 good players. Name them RN!

Also i think 1-30/40 is a ranking area where some tournament/competition could be done. Since totally awful players cant get around those ranks without massive farming.

So a server with rank <50 with rotating mods would be nice.

Originally Posted by Iguodola

Honestly, ranking just ruins the game.

This game is going from endless moves and styles to everybody playing like they need to win to survive.

No one plays for fun, they either run or just do lame moves. What was once a game with endless possibilities is turning into a game where you have to play like the rest of the ranking whores who run and shovel to win their games.

Ranking won't ever determine skill, it just shows who can spend all day keeping their rank at bay and improving and who can shovel and run better than everybody else.


I think we should all just give up on ranking cause there is no sure fire way to fix it even with matchmaking you will will get pared up with someone with minimal skill shoveling or running to achieve a good rank.

Originally Posted by William

Your elitism is impressive anyway.

Originally Posted by cowmeat

Id just like to say something to this remark.

Elitism and realism are a bit different (sure there might be a bit of that one in there as well). the #250 best vs the #5 best player game will end in 1-9. Id say currently there are around 30-70 players who can compete all around with reasonable skill difference. Not completely equal, but in a way that it would make sense. Sure if its only ABD it might be wider. But if we would make 250 people play 5 mods best of 5 matches it would be super unbalanced. I dont concur with fists 20 players statement. But I do understand where he's coming from.

Originally Posted by William

Still, it's irrelevant. If there is a population of 20 people that are really superb and can beat everyone else, doesn't mean others are bad players. In each type of mods, I can name 20 good players. I really don't think a toribash player should be forced to play a type of mod that is not his type! Yes, you have to be kinda competent to survive in those last rooms where all mods are rotating though!

It's irrelevant to the ranking range, anyway..the amount of great players in all mods . You have to take into consideration how active rooms will be.

Originally Posted by FistofLife

Your standard of good player is different from a real good players view. A white belt thinks almost every one is really good at the game. I can see that you are fairly bad at the game, besides maybe Wushu. I can say the same with Cowmeat with his exception being TK.

The reason for there being so few good players is that just playing toribash doesn't make you a good player. THE PLAYER has to force them self to face better players always and to look for the hardest duels.

If a real matchmaking system was in place then the player skill would increase greatly as people are always being challenged.

Originally Posted by FistofLife

Your standard of good player is different from a real good players view. A white belt thinks almost every one is really good at the game. I can see that you are fairly bad at the game, besides maybe Wushu. I can say the same with Cowmeat with his exception being TK.

The reason for there being so few good players is that just playing toribash doesn't make you a good player. THE PLAYER has to force them self to face better players always and to look for the hardest duels.

If a real matchmaking system was in place then the player skill would increase greatly as people are always being challenged.

Originally Posted by DrHax

While I don't truly agree with his assessment of other players skill 1 to 1, but he's absolutely right. I finally started listening to this methodology instead of noob farming and I can safely say I've learned more in my last 750 games then in the prior 7,000 games of my 44k gaming career.

People not playing a part in the very small competetive number environment just hear of people who they think are awesome, when they have zero clue of how poorly they would do when winning is all that matters. I'm not talking about running away either, just the mere mentality of playing to win when there are stakes is such a different game and meta than most people understand.

But anyone can get involved if they are interested!

Originally Posted by William

This is exactly what this system does here without using matchmaking!

You start out by getting a good rank by specializing at one/two mods if you want to. Then in day 20, you're force to be good in all striking mods! In day 30, you're forced to be good in all mods to get the best rank!

Originally Posted by FistofLife

Yup i think this system is great and it seems a lot more practical than a matchmaking system, as hampa is to dumb to make matchmaking. This system wouldn't be as effective as matchmaking but it would get the point across roughly.