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Old Jun 22, 2018   #1
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Animal Testing and Experimentation
First and foremost, I'd like anyone reading this to understand that I take a neutral stance on this topic due to the nature of its benefits and detriments.

With that being said:

What is your opinion or personal belief on the modern system of how animals are used regarding clinical experimentation?

Some of the methods government agencies and funded organizations practice include but are not limited to:



-Chemical Testing
-Surgical Operations
-Cell/Tissue Replacement/Replication
-Viral/Bacterial Injections
-Isolation Chambers
-Event Reaction Tests


The majority of people have their minds set on two opposite sides:

Animal Testing is necessary in order to study biological elements or viruses; within time, these can potentially help combat an epidemic saving even more animal's lives.
The future of veterinary medicine relies on this.


OR

Animal Testing is completely inhumane and unethical.
Other systems should be implemented or invented to test and study diseases such as a virtual virus replicator or artificial organic models of animals.


Here are some sources I used as a base for my topic; feel free to elaborate upon any of them. Keep in mind that this article serves as a fundamental entry point for this topic.

All opinions should be treated with a sense of understanding and respect.
One person's opinion doesn't entitle them as being "correct."


https://animal-testing.procon.org/

https://www.amprogress.org/animal-research/

https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/scienceresearch/producttesting/ucm072268.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594046/
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Old Jun 22, 2018   #2
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Don't have much thought to put into this, but I do agree on your neutral stance, as inhumane as it is, it does bring so many benefits. I can't really imagine how far we'd be if we didn't sadly use animals for our experiments.
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Old Jun 24, 2018   #3
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The world wouldn't be half as advanced as it is now if we didn't do 'inhumane things'. I absolutely believe using animals for testing drugs is the way to go, unless you want to use humans instead, which is arguably worse. Otherwise when your child or family member catches an evolved chicken pox and we have no working vaccines, you can be happy you weren't inhumane to the animals that would have been used to test it.
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Old Jun 25, 2018   #4
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Not much input on the subject, but jesus your thread formatting is disgusting.
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Old Jun 27, 2018   #5
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Originally Posted by McFarbo View Post
The world wouldn't be half as advanced as it is now if we didn't do 'inhumane things'. I absolutely believe using animals for testing drugs is the way to go, unless you want to use humans instead, which is arguably worse. Otherwise when your child or family member catches an evolved chicken pox and we have no working vaccines, you can be happy you weren't inhumane to the animals that would have been used to test it.

I feel like this question depends mainly on your moral standing. While what you said is "correct", it can be still viewed as selfish on many levels, such as the belief of human lives being more paramount than that of animals. But if we are going down the inhumane route, we breed animals for these experiments. Mind giving a reason why we couldn't do the same with humans/why this is a worse idea? The only real reasons I can think of are the differences in the length of our life cycles and the cost of it all. There is really no right answer, it's all opinion based. So I'm staying neutral for the most part

Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
Don't have much thought to put into this, but I do agree on your neutral stance, as inhumane as it is, it does bring so many benefits. I can't really imagine how far we'd be if we didn't sadly use animals for our experiments.

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Old Jun 28, 2018   #6
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It's a give and take of course. As previously mentioned above, we wouldn't be anywhere near to where we are today in society medicaly and overall without the testing/experiments we have done with animals.


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Old Jun 29, 2018   #7
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I think using animals for testing/experiments would be cruel, but it really does depend on what your using the animal for. For example, if you want to cut open a rat to see whats inside it is fine because they are often pests. But if for example, you cut open a live, healthy puppy I do not think there is really a point unless your trying to see whats inside.
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Old Jun 30, 2018   #8
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I feel being the more advanced species we can do what ever we want.


Would it be more humane if we tested on other humans.
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Old Jun 30, 2018   #9
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I tend to agree with Impersonal here.

I take a nihilistic outlook, and do not believe that these animals' lives have any value, in a spiritual sense. We, as humans, live in a society created explicitly for the benefit of humans. Most people would agree on this, whether like me, you believe no life has value, or that you believe that all life has value but human life has more value, arbitrarily or otherwise. I do believe that animals have value, but only in the sense that their existences are beneficial to humans and human society, i.e. if the only animals were humans, every ecosystem on the planet would collapse, but I digress.

In essence, I am completely for animal testing, no matter how seemingly frivolous.

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