[Game] [next] modmaking and other marginally related things

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pouffy

Feb 1, 2018

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[next] modmaking and other marginally related things

1.) (rly cool) some loadout thing i guess???

ingame command that let's you define whether a group of objects or a player preset exists or not

a practical application would be that each player could pick a loadout of different bodymods/weapons to use in a match like 15 seconds before it starts.

something like this exists in the modfile then

gamerules 
players 4

set_loadout player 0 player 1 player 2 player 3 
{ 
loadout "Knight"
env_obj 1 
pos 0.00 0.50 1.25
rot 0.00 0.00 0.00 
color 0.13 0.13 0.13 1.00
trig_id 32
trig_mask 2
trig_action -1 (also suggested below...)...

loadout "Other_thing"

env_obj 1
[some shit]

loadout "Boxer"

}

set_loadout admin
{
loadout "Forest"

env_obj 17 
eoijf

loadout "Cave"
[more shit fuck]
}

and once you're ingame you can do /loadout "other_thing"

presumably you could also do /loadout and get a list of options

you get the idea

basically set_loadout would define the players that can use the /loadout command (for lack of a better name atm) to choose things. player 0-3 are players 1-4, admin is anyone with op or ingame admin

object numbers really complicate this can't we do away with those or something jeez

also i don't code i have no idea how dumb this looks to somebody who might know how to implement this

2.) reference other mods

reference other mods

basically

include "rb_greykido.tbm"

player 0...

i literally stole this snippet from sir when i pitched it to him so this better not look dumb

this would come in super handy in the above suggestion. instead of having 500kb files that you need to download in 5 seconds because somebody just loaded it in multiplayer and you're up next, you dl like 5kb, you probably already have the referenced mods because people are lazy and reuse things, badabing badaboom

basically combining the two

gamerules 
players 4

set_loadout player 0 player 1 player 2 player 3 
{ 
loadout "Knight"
include "pfy_Knight_f.tbm

loadout "Other thing"
include "this_is_some_other_thign???.tbm"

loadout "Boxer"
include "body_boxer.tbm"
}

set_loadout admin
{
loadout "Forest"
include "forest_wip18.tbm"

loadout "Cave"
include "cave_more_like_uranus.tbm"
}

3.) some trigger things

negative trigger actions to induce a loss rather than make a specific player win

trig_id 64
trig_mask 127
trig_score 60
trig_color 0.13 0.60 0.85 0.85
trig_action -48

also probably make actions like ids, where you can stack them to make either multiple players win or multiple players lose

if there are going to be multiple players, fun tricks like decap trigger, ungrab trigger, showcased in a lot of odlov mods (although the ungrab thing was discovered by dashsora!!), are basically useless. if you can use triggers to eliminate whoever was decap'ed that'd be rly cool

4.) A D D J O I N T S

let modmakers add bodyparts and joints, define what joints are connected to what bodyparts, what connections are dmable, etc.

body "head"
    shape box
    pos [some shit]

body "breast"
    shape *bounce*
    pos [some shit]

joint "neck"
    pos[some shit]
    connect "head" 
    connect_dm "breast"

body "this_DICK"
    shape 
    pos [gotem]
    rot [gotem]
    hardness 5.00

joint "not_a_dick_wow_disgusting"
   pos [jeez]
   connect_dm "this_DICK"
   connect_dm "breast"
   rot [never]
   hardness 0.00

pros : no more esports people begging you to add fingers and toes
cons: modmakers will definitely add fingers and toes

i say: do it

5.) many ways to move a joint buddy

multiple axes

joint "this_DICK"
   pos [some shit]
   axis_1 1.00 0.00 0.00
   axis_2 0.00 1.00 0.00
   
joint "some_OTHER_dick"
   pos [woo woo]
   axis_1 0.50 0.50 0.00 
   axis_2 0.00 0.00 1.00

ya self explanatory

maybe ingame you use some key or something to toggle which axis you're rotating a joint on

6.) stretchy boy

stretchy things

env_obj 14 
   pos [doesn't matter look at the new shit idiot]
   bounce 1.00
   friction 100000.00
   hardness 1.13
   elasticity 1.00 1.50 0.00
   elasticity_magnitude 2.00
   elasticity_strength 5.00

basically allows that object to stretch to a certain max size (or a smaller size!!!) alone one two or three or even four planes

i was thinking (respectively) :treated like axes where the larger the number the faster it moves (or larger i guess)

2 = twice as everything along any plane it's defined on. less than one will make it shrink with some force applied

idk some arbitrary value dude but i guess make it so it's equivalent to joint strength that'd be convenient

7.) disable collision on objects

misc stuff dude wow

i probably have other ideas lemme bump this later okay

also shoutout to fear because all these code boxes look alright

Last edited by pouffy; Feb 2, 2018 at 12:04 AM.

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Feb 2, 2018

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Feb 2, 2018

I know this post (mine) isn't constructive enough but that's just why I don't know what to say, you was brilliant pointing out "basic" things and constructing a really well thought concept of how it could work. But I want to bump this as no one is actually giving their feedback.

I won't say I support 100% of this but, maybe, if you point out better how it would work while modmaking I could agree more. I think that the key to make it works is implementing all of this to modmaking system, and I saw you saying more about in game commands and stuff than actually modding (except for codes). Maybe I think like that because I don't know nothing about modding and it is obvious for you but I still think you could point out better the "behind the scenes" part of this, explaining how it would be before going in game.

Not sure if I'm being clear enough but, summing up, I want to know more the modding part than how it's going to look like in game.

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pouffy

Feb 4, 2018

pouffy

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Feb 4, 2018

thanks for your feedback, i appreciate it

my modmaking workflow is almost exclusively notepad, so the ingame modmaker ui isn't something that i always think about; i tried to include code boxes in every large spoiler suggestion just to give an example of what it could look like to people who mod similarly to me. (most of the stuff in those codeboxes is a little bit of what modding already looks like + whatever i'm suggesting).

i dunno if it's worth it to try to throw together an example of what the ingame ui could look like if the general audience of the suggestion are devs & other modders who could add/refine anything

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