Original Post
Rule's need a change.
Recently Diamond, who recently became a legend, and is one of the best influences of recent Toribash history, was banned for selling TC.
This is Diamonds appeal to said ban:
I believe the rule is totally unfair, and totally IN favor of the scammers, while giving everyone else in the community a headache. Just recently Ceytune/Senu/Tyka has gone around and scammed 3 people in USD duels, and he's free as a bird.
Here is diamond's stance on the Senu situation and USD duels in general.
And here is Krong's response to Diamond's appeal
In my opinion I feel these rules not only destroy people's motivation to play, but also hurt the active player base which should be protected, while also protecting scammers, it truly makes no sense. Note:
someone named 'Asni' has gone around on discord impersonating users like me, diamond, and others, and has scammed upwards of 200$ USD AFTER this whole TC selling reform was implemented without even having an account to ban, so how useful is it really?
What are your opinions on the situation? Do you think the rules on TC selling, and USD dueling need a reform, or should they be enforced just as they are now, and how would this carry onto TB Next without killing it?
This is Diamonds appeal to said ban:
Diamond's Appeal
I believe the rule is totally unfair, and totally IN favor of the scammers, while giving everyone else in the community a headache. Just recently Ceytune/Senu/Tyka has gone around and scammed 3 people in USD duels, and he's free as a bird.
Here is diamond's stance on the Senu situation and USD duels in general.
Diamond vs Senu
And here is Krong's response to Diamond's appeal
Krong Response
Diamond response to Krong
In my opinion I feel these rules not only destroy people's motivation to play, but also hurt the active player base which should be protected, while also protecting scammers, it truly makes no sense. Note:
someone named 'Asni' has gone around on discord impersonating users like me, diamond, and others, and has scammed upwards of 200$ USD AFTER this whole TC selling reform was implemented without even having an account to ban, so how useful is it really?
What are your opinions on the situation? Do you think the rules on TC selling, and USD dueling need a reform, or should they be enforced just as they are now, and how would this carry onto TB Next without killing it?
Last edited by Wounder; Mar 11, 2019 at 04:29 AM.
Forumite
I will delete any posts that only/primarily discuss whether diamond should or shouldn't be banned, and may infract repeat offenders.
Please stick to discusing the rules themselves.
Also note that this thread may not receive an official staff response and isn't in the appropriate board for suggested changes.
Please stick to discusing the rules themselves.
Also note that this thread may not receive an official staff response and isn't in the appropriate board for suggested changes.
Last edited by pouffy; Mar 11, 2019 at 04:26 AM.
Screenshots of conversation between Diamond and Pouffy
This conversation adds some context to what is happening and provides some of Diamond's points and some of Pouffy's pounts, which I believe is a wonderful example of
Overmoderation.
.. which is definitely killing this community. The issue at hand is that Diamond, one of the most impactful, influential players in this tight knit community, sold TC in the wrong order; he sent the TC, recieved the USD, then went to document it on the forums, when you're supposed to document first, then transfer TC/USD.
He was banned for a calendar month. He was warned previously to follow the correct order. I and many others feel this is unjustified, but I'd like to dive into
What is so wrong about it.
One of many things wrong with this situation is that it shows the community that no matter your influence or stance in the community, even it be one of the highest achievable titles (Legend), you can still be kicked out for something as simple as forgetting to make a forum post. He had every intention of making the forum post as well, he just didn't do it in the order the administration wanted, which is ridiculous. This is definitely a very raw, unfiltered form of micro-administration on a comparibly micro-community. We have, on a good day, around one hundred concurrent players. Do we really need to be banning the most influential people for something as minor as this?
Regardless of anything, the ban is unjust, the administration are simply too prideful to admit a mistake, which happens. Hopefully some higher ups will catch wind of this and potentially argue against it, but I don't see that happening either. He didn't threaten anyone, didn't harm anyone, nor did he do anything destructive in any way.
He simply forgot to make a forum post before a transaction, marking a Toribash player titled "Legend" banned for a calendar month.
Laughable.
Edit: It has also come to my attention that Diamond didn't even forget about the post, they just hadn't reopened his TC selling thread in time. Even worse.
Last edited by Kris; Mar 11, 2019 at 05:06 AM.
This is just dumb and stupid.
Last day lisa wanted to buy tc from me, and she directly sent me the money (viewing the fact that she trusts me), and told me on discord. However i left her waiting for like 30 mins or more, waiting for market squads to accept my thread that i requested, 1 day ago (No one of reimu and athin even asnwered me when i messaged them, despite of them being online), until lisa talked to krong to allow my thread so she could post and so i couldd send the money.
We should not deal with all of this just to be able to sell some tc. The least you could do is keeping track of transactions WHILE HAVING OUR THREAD PERMANENTLY OPENED.
And if you think you catched these players, I am telling you there are many of them. Way to many
Just unban them already and dont make this worse than it actually is.
Last day lisa wanted to buy tc from me, and she directly sent me the money (viewing the fact that she trusts me), and told me on discord. However i left her waiting for like 30 mins or more, waiting for market squads to accept my thread that i requested, 1 day ago (No one of reimu and athin even asnwered me when i messaged them, despite of them being online), until lisa talked to krong to allow my thread so she could post and so i couldd send the money.
We should not deal with all of this just to be able to sell some tc. The least you could do is keeping track of transactions WHILE HAVING OUR THREAD PERMANENTLY OPENED.
And if you think you catched these players, I am telling you there are many of them. Way to many
Just unban them already and dont make this worse than it actually is.
Last edited by Fire; Mar 11, 2019 at 06:44 AM.
1. A verified seller is someone who has demonstrated a certain level of trustworthiness and honesty. Whether or not the TC is sold on the board or in-game, it is clean and not obtained illegally. TC that is acquired through scamming or rule breaking would undoubtedly be found or reported before the audit during the thread approval process. Additionally, the fact that Diamond showed intention to document the sale in his soon-to-be approved thread is proof that there were no bad intentions.
2. Sellers attempting to post a thread and are awaiting approval are at the mercy of staff and their schedules. I've had threads take up to 48 hours to be approved, without any sort of justification or reasoning for the delay. This impedes business and hurts both buyers and sellers, especially if either of them are in a hurry to make a deal.
3. Trade has always been a common practice in-game, and the sale of TC is no exception. Servers where the transfer of TC takes place, such as bet servers and duel servers, are a perfect place to advertise or seek out sellers. I'm willing to bet that whatever instances of sales occurring outside of the designated board that were caught by staff don't even scratch the surface. I'd even go as far as saying that players who are not verified are more likely to get away with these transgressions, as they are not actively monitored by staff like verified sellers are.
What is the purpose of prohibiting players from selling TC in-game? Who are you trying to protect? What sort of order are you trying to maintain? What illicit activity are you trying to prevent? I hope that someone involved in the enacting of this rule would shed some light on the matter, it would greatly benefit this discussion.
If staff believes that verified sellers are the only ones that should be allowed to sell TC, and if they would like documentation of all the sales that take place, so be it. However, I urge staff to please reconsider prohibiting the sale of TC in-game.
Also, I sold Xanax 800,000 TC. He approached me to purchase TC, and I obliged. You might as well ban me too.
2. Sellers attempting to post a thread and are awaiting approval are at the mercy of staff and their schedules. I've had threads take up to 48 hours to be approved, without any sort of justification or reasoning for the delay. This impedes business and hurts both buyers and sellers, especially if either of them are in a hurry to make a deal.
3. Trade has always been a common practice in-game, and the sale of TC is no exception. Servers where the transfer of TC takes place, such as bet servers and duel servers, are a perfect place to advertise or seek out sellers. I'm willing to bet that whatever instances of sales occurring outside of the designated board that were caught by staff don't even scratch the surface. I'd even go as far as saying that players who are not verified are more likely to get away with these transgressions, as they are not actively monitored by staff like verified sellers are.
What is the purpose of prohibiting players from selling TC in-game? Who are you trying to protect? What sort of order are you trying to maintain? What illicit activity are you trying to prevent? I hope that someone involved in the enacting of this rule would shed some light on the matter, it would greatly benefit this discussion.
If staff believes that verified sellers are the only ones that should be allowed to sell TC, and if they would like documentation of all the sales that take place, so be it. However, I urge staff to please reconsider prohibiting the sale of TC in-game.
Also, I sold Xanax 800,000 TC. He approached me to purchase TC, and I obliged. You might as well ban me too.
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