Originally Posted by Vmac
I don't quite understand, I started in SP first and from there it helped me improve my skills in MP.
I learned what the joints did in single player with out having to worry about what my opponent is going to do. Then transitioned to MP and all I really had to improve was decision making and mechanics that changed from SP to MP.
I didn't say everyone did this, but a fair amount did to just learn how to move around and such (I learnt how to run and move around in spars by sparring with begotten and mocucha and I learnt how to change momentum by playing wushu, etc. Everyone got their skills in a different way).
Originally Posted by cowmeat
But you saying that SP players put greater importance on effective movement than MP is just wrong I feel.
SP players have more than 20 seconds to think of how they're going to move around. Large majority of MP players don't consider that changing a joint state on one joint will affect another because they just don't know/don't have enough time/don't care so they just go with what they're happy with. For example relaxing an ankle when its flat on the ground will provide (depending on angle of tori blah blah) more friction and stability to the ground than keeping the ankle contracted or held. So considering SP players have more time they can see more possibilities and therefore put greater importance on effective movement.
Originally Posted by Holotor
So considering SP players have more time they can see more possibilities and therefore put greater importance on effective movement.
That is false way of thinking it. MP players only consider the optimal movement, disregarding any style (usually), since there is no time to tweak everything. Of course the movement in SP will be better, who's arguing against that? But the focus isn't effective movement, as much as in MP. There is style etc involved.
"Large majority of MP players don't consider that changing a joint state on one joint will affect another because they just don't know/don't have enough time/don't care so they just go with what they're happy with."
I don't understand what that argument is trying to prove? I can say with certainty that the top players regard every joint when it comes to movement.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
That is false way of thinking it. MP players only consider the optimal movement, disregarding any style (usually), since there is no time to tweak everything. Of course the movement in SP will be better, who's arguing against that? But the focus isn't effective movement, as much as in MP. There is style etc involved.
There is a difference between efficiency and effectiveness... Kinda obvious SP focuses more on effective moves rather than efficient moves because they still want to keep the flow going smoothly while also doing that 5 DM boom and whatnot. No false thinking at all.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
I don't understand what that argument is trying to prove? I can say with certainty that the top players regard every joint when it comes to movement.
I can say with certainty that the "large majority" of players are not top players, not sure if you read that properly. There's also a difference in regarding every joint when it comes to movement and getting the most effectiveness out of them.
Ok, i'll post my oppinion to from what i noticed over la last years.
MP: u are pressed by time and you have to make the best decission in that short time. There is also the factor that the opponent is moving freely and it will mess up your potential move.
Sp: with a tf of 1 and lots of time and PATIENCE anybody can do great things. If they have understanding of the game.
Ofc practice is most important thing for both.
I, for one, never had the patience to make good stuff in sp.
Butonce u have 1 tf, the unlimited time and the possibility to stop and continue the replay from any point i think even i am able to make a nice boomhit, or a nice parkour or spar.
In sp its just a huge time effort to do it.
Mp is more fun and there is always luck involved.
I don't think there is a best at any style. If u are good at toribash u are good at both.
MP: u are pressed by time and you have to make the best decission in that short time. There is also the factor that the opponent is moving freely and it will mess up your potential move.
Sp: with a tf of 1 and lots of time and PATIENCE anybody can do great things. If they have understanding of the game.
Ofc practice is most important thing for both.
I, for one, never had the patience to make good stuff in sp.
Butonce u have 1 tf, the unlimited time and the possibility to stop and continue the replay from any point i think even i am able to make a nice boomhit, or a nice parkour or spar.
In sp its just a huge time effort to do it.
Mp is more fun and there is always luck involved.
I don't think there is a best at any style. If u are good at toribash u are good at both.
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