Alright, I'll keep working at it. In the mean time, I've finally got enough replays to introduce a (maybe) new concept to you guys. Lock downs. Everyone is familiar with wrist locks in real life, use pain to manipulate your opponent and what-not, but in Toribash, pain doesn't exist. The closest thing to an equivalent I've been able to find (and believe me, I've tried this a lot) is this. Rather than taking advantage of your opponent's pain, take advantage of the limited flexibility in the shoulder and pec joints in toribash. Draw your own conclusions, I want to know if you guys think this is a viable technique or just hokus pokus.