Double post = fail. Double post + bump = ultra fail. Also no one replied just so it could die. This is the most retarded thread ever, as pretty much everyone knows about it. People will be screaming NOOB if you do this move, not just the grab part, trust me. It's the most common opener in the history of toribash, probably up there with the focker and snap kick. They don't make "big surprises", and are not "very effective".