Honestly, Pig is completely ignoring the fact that many users have already called him out on his bullshit. Most of the people he listed have never married a man, and those who did, got married very recently. Also, if you are looking for a place men have been denied marriage. Look at the fucking topic.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
all countries.
Not true.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
no you didnt.
1.Salvador Dali, a straight man who married 2 differnet women
2.Elton John, married in 2014 (not the 20th century) the year gay marriage was legalised in the UK
3.Freddie Mercury, was never married to a man.
please name me some more people who got married in the 20th century.
All 3 were homosexual and all 3 were married.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
what are you on about?
Blindly spout meaningless statistics, get meaningless statistics spouted back at you.
Im not honestly too sure what relevance this point has, but from your link:
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
@immortalpig, the basis of the argument we are having is that you say
50 years ago gay marriage was illegal everywhere in the world. Ergo you are in fact saying that having no right to marriage is the same as having a right to marriage.
Well that's simply not true.
While you could argue that "oh in Arabia homosexuals are assaulted so they will just hide in their home forever and not be married" that's not a very solid argument, and doesn't show that denial of marriage based on sexuality existed.
You certainly couldn't argue the same for the ENTIRE world...
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
since immortal pig is now just denying facts i am out
the reason he cant find a single person married in the 1900s is because there were none. It was illegal during that period of time throughout the whole world. Gay marriage simply did not exist
and if any of you are still thinking he might not be just lying, search up the 3 celebrities he mentioned and see who they married and when.
With that im done.
the reason he cant find a single person married in the 1900s is because there were none. It was illegal during that period of time throughout the whole world. Gay marriage simply did not exist
and if any of you are still thinking he might not be just lying, search up the 3 celebrities he mentioned and see who they married and when.
With that im done.
Don't dm me pictures of bowls that you find attractive.
Well I guess Pig is actually in the right.
You see, his argument is right. Two men have always had the same marriage rights as a man and a woman. The problem is nobody specified that the marriage was to happen between the 2 men, just that those 2 men had the same rights as a man and a woman.
I believe this is the original point he answered to:
And yes, he is right. If a homosexual man was to marry a woman, they would not ask him his sexuality at the register, because it didn't matter. As Pig said:
All those 3 celebrities follow that rule. Even if gay, they were married.
It wasn't gays that were denied marriage, it was marriage between two gays that was denied.
For example, If a lesbian woman wanted to get married to a gay man, they would give them the license. Nobody would point out their homosexuality and deny their marriage.
And yes, I guess Pig had the right to rip into this like that, because the general argument on this thread was that "those two men (going from the Kim Davis case) have been denied marriage because of their sexuality". Which is technically untrue.
But Pig, for the sake of trying to maybe push this discussion somewhere other than mindless bickering on this one subject, could you stop basically baiting them and realize that what they meant was that marriage between two homosexuals was banned? or otherwise we will just start to get shitposts that just consist of "no pig is wrong here let me show you proof everybody already posted"
that was atleast my take on what Pig is saying, correct me if I am wrong Pig.
You see, his argument is right. Two men have always had the same marriage rights as a man and a woman. The problem is nobody specified that the marriage was to happen between the 2 men, just that those 2 men had the same rights as a man and a woman.
I believe this is the original point he answered to:
Originally Posted by Kyure
That is not what he is referring to. He is referring to how marriage has been around for such a long time, and stating that marriage is not even important anymore is a stupid thing to say. There are both legal reasons and traditional reasons as to why people want to get married. For two men to not have the same rights as a man and a woman is unjust, and violated the fourteenth amendment.
And yes, he is right. If a homosexual man was to marry a woman, they would not ask him his sexuality at the register, because it didn't matter. As Pig said:
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
While you could argue that "oh in Arabia homosexuals are assaulted so they will just hide in their home forever and not be married" that's not a very solid argument, and doesn't show that denial of marriage based on sexuality existed.
All those 3 celebrities follow that rule. Even if gay, they were married.
It wasn't gays that were denied marriage, it was marriage between two gays that was denied.
For example, If a lesbian woman wanted to get married to a gay man, they would give them the license. Nobody would point out their homosexuality and deny their marriage.
And yes, I guess Pig had the right to rip into this like that, because the general argument on this thread was that "those two men (going from the Kim Davis case) have been denied marriage because of their sexuality". Which is technically untrue.
But Pig, for the sake of trying to maybe push this discussion somewhere other than mindless bickering on this one subject, could you stop basically baiting them and realize that what they meant was that marriage between two homosexuals was banned? or otherwise we will just start to get shitposts that just consist of "no pig is wrong here let me show you proof everybody already posted"
that was atleast my take on what Pig is saying, correct me if I am wrong Pig.
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