I have a great story about this;
When I was in highschool, I had a friend named Ricky and he was friends with a very manipulative kid named Jerry. At lunch Jerry would throw carrots at Ricky's face and then after words ask Ricky to buy him corn dogs, and he would do it.(Ricky was not the only one that continued to take shit from Jerry, he did it to many other people.) . I've stuck up for Ricky many of times and got on to Jerry about it and tried to (maturely) get him to stop. But Ricky continued to buy Jerry corn dogs and get carrots thrown in his face. After two months, I had enough of seeing this happen and decided to help Ricky out because he was one of my good friends and I hated seeing this. Mind you this was freshman year and I was not quite wise at the time. I basically got up and started a fight with Jerry and I ended up breaking his nose so he went ahead and used this as an angle to make Ricky not be friends with me anymore. It worked, Ricky never talked to me again and Jerry continued giving him shit. Ricky was a pretty smart kid too, he got good grades and never really acted like an idiot. It's a sad fact that there are bad people out there like Jerry that are good manipulators, but use it for a wrong reason.
Moral of the story, there's correlation between push overs and manipulation for sure. But there is also a correlation between intelligence and manipulation.
When I was in highschool, I had a friend named Ricky and he was friends with a very manipulative kid named Jerry. At lunch Jerry would throw carrots at Ricky's face and then after words ask Ricky to buy him corn dogs, and he would do it.(Ricky was not the only one that continued to take shit from Jerry, he did it to many other people.) . I've stuck up for Ricky many of times and got on to Jerry about it and tried to (maturely) get him to stop. But Ricky continued to buy Jerry corn dogs and get carrots thrown in his face. After two months, I had enough of seeing this happen and decided to help Ricky out because he was one of my good friends and I hated seeing this. Mind you this was freshman year and I was not quite wise at the time. I basically got up and started a fight with Jerry and I ended up breaking his nose so he went ahead and used this as an angle to make Ricky not be friends with me anymore. It worked, Ricky never talked to me again and Jerry continued giving him shit. Ricky was a pretty smart kid too, he got good grades and never really acted like an idiot. It's a sad fact that there are bad people out there like Jerry that are good manipulators, but use it for a wrong reason.
Moral of the story, there's correlation between push overs and manipulation for sure. But there is also a correlation between intelligence and manipulation.
Last edited by Nate; Mar 10, 2015 at 10:53 PM.
Originally Posted by Redundant
Actually, being wrong means that you don't know what you are talking about.
It's not about definitions, it is about scientific facts.
IQ tests are based on the model of crystallized and fluid intelligence that I explained.
None of you people did any research before posting in this thread. I have some knowledge and experience on this particular subject so I thought it'd be nice to let you people know that you are all dead wrong.
If you cannot take the criticism, I'm sorry. I was in no way insulting or unfriendly.
I know, that the first post says “do you guys believe there is a correlation, or link, between intelligence and manipulation”, but this is no opinion based thread. I provided the answer to that question.
The ability to manipulate people requires many skills. Those skills enhance your social intelligence.
I did not provide an oversimplified explanation. I provided an explanation that is actually quite interesting and very complicated.
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All I could add is sources for my claims if you wish.
Though I probably won't do that because I am lazy and done for now.
Well, I'll just chip in, I do believe that to be able to manipulate someone is a rather easy task. For the more intellectual class they commonly do it, without considering the consequences or repercussions onto the person who is being used. It is abusing their trust, and using them as a ladder or tool in you goal or plan. But at the same time, as a Sociopath I find myself regularly using other people in simple manners, such as for entertainment value, or because I need something they have.
On the subject of IQ, I am 145
which I am proud of.-----
Originally Posted by Nate
I have a great story about this;
When I was in highschool, I had a friend named Ricky and he was friends with a very manipulative kid named Jerry. At lunch Jerry would throw carrots at Ricky's face and then after words ask Ricky to buy him corn dogs, and he would do it.(Ricky was not the only one that continued to take shit from Jerry, he did it to many other people.) . I've stuck up for Ricky many of times and got on to Jerry about it and tried to (maturely) get him to stop. But Ricky continued to buy Jerry corn dogs and get carrots thrown in his face. After two months, I had enough of seeing this happen and decided to help Ricky out because he was one of my good friends and I hated seeing this. Mind you this was freshman year and I was not quite wise at the time. I basically got up and started a fight with Jerry and I ended up breaking his nose so he went ahead and used this as an angle to make Ricky not be friends with me anymore. It worked, Ricky never talked to me again and Jerry continued giving him shit. Ricky was a pretty smart kid too, he got good grades and never really acted like an idiot. It's a sad fact that there are bad people out there like Jerry that are good manipulators, but use it for a wrong reason.
Moral of the story, there's correlation between push overs and manipulation for sure. But there is also a correlation between intelligence and manipulation.
I know what it's like. Though I do find headbutting them works quite well. (The manipulator, not the friend) =3
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Loving this discussion, although I would like very clear answers. Kind of a yes or no thing. Vote here please.
http://strawpoll.me/3842939
I agree with you Redundant, I do believe that manipilation is a skill that has to be learned. I think that those who are interested in manipulation, and practice it, are usually very smart/intelligent people.
I will add to the discussion this time. I asked my therapist this question and Rob said that there is a correlation. He told me a story about how he had worked at a facility with mentally challenged adults a few years ago. He said there was one individual that was so manipulative and slick, that Rob believed he wasn't actually mentally challenged. And so I brought up the point: This man may not have been the most intelligent person, but he was far more intelligent than the rest of the mentally challenged people and also just happened to be extremely manipulative.
http://strawpoll.me/3842939
I agree with you Redundant, I do believe that manipilation is a skill that has to be learned. I think that those who are interested in manipulation, and practice it, are usually very smart/intelligent people.
I will add to the discussion this time. I asked my therapist this question and Rob said that there is a correlation. He told me a story about how he had worked at a facility with mentally challenged adults a few years ago. He said there was one individual that was so manipulative and slick, that Rob believed he wasn't actually mentally challenged. And so I brought up the point: This man may not have been the most intelligent person, but he was far more intelligent than the rest of the mentally challenged people and also just happened to be extremely manipulative.
Last edited by Aracoon; Mar 11, 2015 at 04:27 AM.
Originally Posted by duck
A more intelligent person may come up with maniulating strategies that work, but I think it works in the other way aswell. A more intelligent person is less prone to manipulation.
This is completely true. I myself, deny any manipulation that comes towards me. Whether it be something simple as saying something that isn't true about me or something large, like actually sneaking personal information and changing the way someone acts about you. There are many types of manipulation, most of them can be avoided because of intelligence. To the first part of your statement, I would probably think that even average intelligence people can create or make manipulating strategies that work.
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Though it's true that the less intelligent/gullible you are, the more prone you are to manipulation. That's not the only case though. Those who are in great need/want of something (like those who followed Hitler;they were probably in need of food and water due to falling economy of Germany at the time) are also prone to manipulation due to their "tunnel vision". In other words, they're thinking only about the reward and little about anything else. Said people are also very easy to manipulate. And you don't have to be very smart to manipulate. You can manipulate with money, looks, or straight up authority. It takes power to manipulate, but not necessarily brain power.
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