Bringing statistics into this argument won't really help anyone who hasn't experienced it first hand, since this is pretty much what this thread has turned into. Half the people speaking from personal experience and the other half attempting to use numbers and hearsay in substitute of personal experience which just isn't going to work in this case.
This is something you've either experienced or not and if you haven't you really aren't ever going to get it honestly, below is the best way I could explain this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvD9TawMqCY - just replace ''n'' word with hood mentality
If you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes at the very least you can respectfully say you don't understand because you've never experienced it personally.
This is something you've either experienced or not and if you haven't you really aren't ever going to get it honestly, below is the best way I could explain this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvD9TawMqCY - just replace ''n'' word with hood mentality
If you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes at the very least you can respectfully say you don't understand because you've never experienced it personally.
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When shit's measurable (as it is with all these statistics) then you have a quantitative base from which you can develop solutions and make that shit manageable. If you don't know the statistical realities of a problem, then you're going to have a hell of a hard time figuring out how to solve it. What can't be measured, can't be managed. That's why it's important to understand this side of the issue.
Originally Posted by AzureMage
If you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes at the very least you can respectfully say you don't understand because you've never experienced it personally.
Yeah nah, how am I supposed to understand insanely rampant crime with an explanation like "it's for survival"?
Personal experience is THE LOWEST FORM of evidence. Please read before continuing:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Also please remember this is the 'discussion' board, so anti-discussion posts like "hurr u dont get it" are extremely unproductive.
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I see you came into this discussion with a closed mind, not seeking to take any point into consideration and argue one stern point.
What I want to say that the hood is more than statistics, more than gangsters, ore than drug dealers.
What I want to say that the hood is more than statistics, more than gangsters, ore than drug dealers.
You could understand if you actually considered other people's opinions, numbers originally didn't even have a role since the op is asking for personal opinions on what you think of the hood and the video. If you want to use numbers and statistics to elaborate on why you feel the way you feel that's one thing, but discrediting other opinions based on personal experience is not completely valid even in debates or discussions.
Statistics are absolute and important, but it's not the only way to argue and it's definitely not the only way to get a point across so treating it as the sole method of expressing a point or opinion isn't valid. What's really anti-discussion is arguing solely with links to the point where it's just two people throwing links at one another like some sort of googling duel using everyone else's words but their own, with little to no personal connection to the topic. In situations like those you just have people who came into the argument not wanting to learn but to only force their opinions on others, with neither party taking anything away from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion
In addition if you can't understand why survival for yourself or loved ones isn't a reason to do whatever you have to do I suggest doing some charity work or visiting an area like the ones we've been discussing. Beyond that it's something deeper than a choice it's pure instinct to want to live, aside from mental conditions or being suicidal anyone when on the brink will not just lie down and wait to die. This extends beyond just the hood mentality because it's something that every living thing feels the basic want to live.
Statistics are absolute and important, but it's not the only way to argue and it's definitely not the only way to get a point across so treating it as the sole method of expressing a point or opinion isn't valid. What's really anti-discussion is arguing solely with links to the point where it's just two people throwing links at one another like some sort of googling duel using everyone else's words but their own, with little to no personal connection to the topic. In situations like those you just have people who came into the argument not wanting to learn but to only force their opinions on others, with neither party taking anything away from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion
In addition if you can't understand why survival for yourself or loved ones isn't a reason to do whatever you have to do I suggest doing some charity work or visiting an area like the ones we've been discussing. Beyond that it's something deeper than a choice it's pure instinct to want to live, aside from mental conditions or being suicidal anyone when on the brink will not just lie down and wait to die. This extends beyond just the hood mentality because it's something that every living thing feels the basic want to live.
Last edited by AzureMage; Jul 6, 2015 at 04:27 AM.
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