Originally Posted by wibblefox
wibbles threads are banned in clans still right?!
Been a long time since that rule got killed
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Originally Posted by SkulFuk
It's because people started shitposting non-stop to get higher post counts; users seem to have a deluded idea that high post counts mean something.
It's because the post count is visible under the username. It makes it seem of importance. If you put the count of matches won by the player, people would have a strong motivation to get that count up for everyone to see.
While we are at it let's change the global rules so shit posting is ok. That's all wibbles was. Nonsensical shit posting that you could totally just do in any one of the number of IM programs.
Like irc, holy shit we have that for free.
If I recall people don't spend the $10 just to have a place to shit post, it's an added benefit to the package they give you.
The idea is not to remove any "fun" from posting things on toribash, it's to prevent the forums from looking like an eye sore for an outsider. Shit like "the acronym" thread serve no real purpose.
Encidently, this thread about shit posts is more coherent and tolerable then some of the things in discussion, offtopic.
Like irc, holy shit we have that for free.
If I recall people don't spend the $10 just to have a place to shit post, it's an added benefit to the package they give you.
The idea is not to remove any "fun" from posting things on toribash, it's to prevent the forums from looking like an eye sore for an outsider. Shit like "the acronym" thread serve no real purpose.
Encidently, this thread about shit posts is more coherent and tolerable then some of the things in discussion, offtopic.
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Not a fan of allowing arbitrary rampant shitposting either.
The following is a suggestion and a proposal for discussion, not an actual policy change. Any actual policy changes will be posted in the sticky. Please discuss and tell me if these changes seem like they would help or if they would be worse than just banning everyone.
However, I am a fan of rewording the Off Topic rules a bit. Let's go in order:
What does that even mean? I'd rather something like:
Your thread should prompt discussion or at the very least interesting responses. If your thread is of a type that historically always receives the same responses (e.g. birthday threads, leaving threads, coming back threads, etc.), it will be closed. If it is determined that your thread has become a thread that always receives the same responses, it will be closed.
Sometimes the discussion would, really, turn out to have only stemmed from a nitpick of a strange set of posts that could only be called a derail. This is Off Topic though, so if nobody's complaining that the thread should get back on topic, is a derail a problem?
This is honestly fine, but it might be worth elaborating that:
No idle chit-chat. If your conversation would be easier to hold in an instant messenger, please use one.
Maybe emphasize that posts should address the thread before individual people in the thread. Try to avoid extensive back and forth dialogue unless it's immediately pertinent to the thread.
Why is this a thing? What's wrong with a thread like "What if all cats and dogs were replaced by omnivorous, omnicidal landsharks?" No surveys is fine, but what if someone wanted to make a thread like "I've been a mod forever but no one has ever heard of me" and they weren't a legend? Where would they put it? If there isn't anywhere to put it, why shouldn't they be able to put it in Off Topic?
This is fine, in my opinion. If your answer is just "yes" or "no" or some similarly unsupported statement, then the thread should either have been put in Rapid Threads, or you're being lazy about explaining your answer. Since it's not in Rapid Threads if Off Topic rules apply, you're being lazy, stop that.
What even is spam? Like, what about double posting if you want to bump a thread that you made and you last posted in sixteen months ago because it suddenly became relevant again? Is that spam? Is necroposting spam? Is necroposting even bad (it probably is, even in Off Topic)?
Blatant spam is already covered under global rules in a variety of places. Why have this here if there aren't any particular special cases for Off Topic that are common and people need to know about?
Like this one.
No spam/zero effort posting/posting just for the post count. As a particular (but not all-inclusive) example, no one word posts.
What do Warez and account selling even have to do with each other? If we're talking about blanket bans, include the next rule in the single rule:
No discussion of warez, piracy, account selling, account sharing, or sexually explicit material.
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There's also the other [READ BEFORE POSTING] thread: http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=547377
I'm fine with this, honestly.
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You know, this gets back to a weird thing with the TB forums. So rarely do I see threads just get moved if they're in the wrong forum.
Also, really, why should we hold Off Topic posts to find the best possible board for their topic? Some people want less serious discussion even on a topic that could warrant it. Some people want more in depth answers to their stupid trivial question about what precise shade of blue the sky is in hexcodes. Some people want to watch the world burn from the comfort of Off Topic rather than the [Apocalypse] wibbles thread. Is there a clan with [Apocalypse] as a tag? (There was one, once. It wasn't very successful.)
Sure, but cut the repost limit from 6 months to 1 month and I think it might do better.
This is a good tip for finding people who might care, but even if an organization exists do we really want to shove people out of Off Topic? I'd hope in general that Off Topic reaches a more expansive audience in most cases, and furthermore these organizations might even want to post some of their most interesting threads in Off Topic just to remind people that they exist. If there is an organization but you chose not to post there directly, all I'd ask is that you at least acknowledge that the organization exists. I don't care why you chose to post in Off Topic instead of there, really, just so long as you knew it exist when you made the decision.
This is just important advice for making a successful thread in the first place. It's fine.
Why? If it's a problem based on a lack of possible content for the thread, okay, sure, close it. If it's a problem with a user, infract until banned and delete any posts that don't pass a quick "Is this not complete garbage?" examination. Don't punish the thread for having bad users unless the thread is nothing but bad users with bad posts.
The following is a suggestion and a proposal for discussion, not an actual policy change. Any actual policy changes will be posted in the sticky. Please discuss and tell me if these changes seem like they would help or if they would be worse than just banning everyone.
However, I am a fan of rewording the Off Topic rules a bit. Let's go in order:
A. We do not allow useless threads. Your thread must have an obvious topic with room for some Discussion. Examples of useless threads include: Birthday threads, leaving threads coming back threads...etc.
What does that even mean? I'd rather something like:
Your thread should prompt discussion or at the very least interesting responses. If your thread is of a type that historically always receives the same responses (e.g. birthday threads, leaving threads, coming back threads, etc.), it will be closed. If it is determined that your thread has become a thread that always receives the same responses, it will be closed.
Sometimes the discussion would, really, turn out to have only stemmed from a nitpick of a strange set of posts that could only be called a derail. This is Off Topic though, so if nobody's complaining that the thread should get back on topic, is a derail a problem?
B. No idle chit-chat, all threads must relate to something.
This is honestly fine, but it might be worth elaborating that:
No idle chit-chat. If your conversation would be easier to hold in an instant messenger, please use one.
Maybe emphasize that posts should address the thread before individual people in the thread. Try to avoid extensive back and forth dialogue unless it's immediately pertinent to the thread.
C. No “what if” or “have you ever” threads. This also extends to general question/survey threads (threads with the purpose of answering a question/threads that link users to a survey).
Why is this a thing? What's wrong with a thread like "What if all cats and dogs were replaced by omnivorous, omnicidal landsharks?" No surveys is fine, but what if someone wanted to make a thread like "I've been a mod forever but no one has ever heard of me" and they weren't a legend? Where would they put it? If there isn't anywhere to put it, why shouldn't they be able to put it in Off Topic?
D. If the Original Post is a question, do not just reply with just an answer, but also explain your answer.
This is fine, in my opinion. If your answer is just "yes" or "no" or some similarly unsupported statement, then the thread should either have been put in Rapid Threads, or you're being lazy about explaining your answer. Since it's not in Rapid Threads if Off Topic rules apply, you're being lazy, stop that.
E. Keep it clean, no spam.
What even is spam? Like, what about double posting if you want to bump a thread that you made and you last posted in sixteen months ago because it suddenly became relevant again? Is that spam? Is necroposting spam? Is necroposting even bad (it probably is, even in Off Topic)?
Blatant spam is already covered under global rules in a variety of places. Why have this here if there aren't any particular special cases for Off Topic that are common and people need to know about?
F. No one word posts.
Like this one.
No spam/zero effort posting/posting just for the post count. As a particular (but not all-inclusive) example, no one word posts.
G. No discussion of Warez or account selling of any kind.
What do Warez and account selling even have to do with each other? If we're talking about blanket bans, include the next rule in the single rule:
H. Keep it clean. The majority of the forum is under 18.
No discussion of warez, piracy, account selling, account sharing, or sexually explicit material.
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There's also the other [READ BEFORE POSTING] thread: http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=547377
Step One: Know what Off-Topic is for.
I'm fine with this, honestly.
Step Two: Check if there is a more appropriate board for your thread.
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You know, this gets back to a weird thing with the TB forums. So rarely do I see threads just get moved if they're in the wrong forum.
Also, really, why should we hold Off Topic posts to find the best possible board for their topic? Some people want less serious discussion even on a topic that could warrant it. Some people want more in depth answers to their stupid trivial question about what precise shade of blue the sky is in hexcodes. Some people want to watch the world burn from the comfort of Off Topic rather than the [Apocalypse] wibbles thread. Is there a clan with [Apocalypse] as a tag? (There was one, once. It wasn't very successful.)
Step Three: Check if there is an existing thread for your idea.
Sure, but cut the repost limit from 6 months to 1 month and I think it might do better.
Step Four: Check if there is an active organization for your thread idea.
This is a good tip for finding people who might care, but even if an organization exists do we really want to shove people out of Off Topic? I'd hope in general that Off Topic reaches a more expansive audience in most cases, and furthermore these organizations might even want to post some of their most interesting threads in Off Topic just to remind people that they exist. If there is an organization but you chose not to post there directly, all I'd ask is that you at least acknowledge that the organization exists. I don't care why you chose to post in Off Topic instead of there, really, just so long as you knew it exist when you made the decision.
Step Five: Make sure your original post for the thread is accessible.
This is just important advice for making a successful thread in the first place. It's fine.
Remember that threads can also be closed due to a large number of low quality posts inside threads, so please use the report button whenever you see a post that breaks the rules, and of course do not make these posts yourself.
Why? If it's a problem based on a lack of possible content for the thread, okay, sure, close it. If it's a problem with a user, infract until banned and delete any posts that don't pass a quick "Is this not complete garbage?" examination. Don't punish the thread for having bad users unless the thread is nothing but bad users with bad posts.
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The standardization of Toribash Squad roles may have gone too far!
The standardization of Toribash Squad roles may have gone too far!
Originally Posted by RAWWRH
The idea is not to remove any "fun" from posting things on toribash, it's to prevent the forums from looking like an eye sore for an outsider. Shit like "the acronym" thread serve no real purpose.
Maybe we should be more concerned with actual users than outsiders? The acronym thread was clearly for fun posting, and people were enjoying it. Is that not a "purpose"? Entertainment is a billion dollar industry you know, sure if you take an existential view point and go full nihilist then what's the point, but it's pretty clear to me and probably everyone else that "fun" is a purpose.
Originally Posted by suomynona
What does that even mean?
One thousand times this. Every time I'm infracted for "useless" posts I'm sure to ask, because no one has any idea how to define it, they worm around, deflect, and they just end up saying "oh it's just an infraction" don't complain.
As for the rest of your post, can you elaborate why these things are a problem?
"If it is determined that your thread has become a thread that always receives the same responses, it will be closed."
Why does this matter?
"Try to avoid extensive back and forth dialogue unless it's immediately pertinent to the thread."
Why does this matter?
"No surveys is fine"
Why are surveys a problem?
"you're being lazy, stop that."
Why are 1 word answers a problem? You can just reply "Can you explain?" if you want someone to explain.
"Is necroposting even bad"
It's not against the rules in this board, so no explanation needed, but if someone who is pro-time limiting threads, can they explain.
"I'm fine with this, honestly."
Unfortunately most people DONT KNOW, and it isn't explained... Even in this thread there are staff who have no clue.
TBH that whole "how to make a good thread" post is shit, if there is a more appropriate sub then lmods can move it, if there is an org or existing megathread or if the post is inaccessible someone will say so. Threads shouldn't be so much work to make, especially in OT which is not a srs bsns board.
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