Originally Posted by GenkiSudo
Nobody read my post? It might not be genocide, but its ethnocide (cultural raping/cleansing, and distortion).
It's terms liek that that are just being downright picky and misleading.
It's genocide if the people identify themselves with their way of life.
Without their way of life, they HAVE NO LIFE. The end. Over. No more progression, no more growth, no more experience, only stagnation and inevitable death.
It's blatantly veiling genocide as "something similar but different".
In the end, it's jsut saying that corporate monarchy and consumerism are "the" way of life. "my way or the highway" is prejudiced, and in fact outright destroys integral diversity.
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Genocide is killing people. We aren't killing anyone either.
Genocide is killing people. We aren't killing anyone either.
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Originally Posted by SuicideDo
It's terms liek that that are just being downright picky and misleading.
It's genocide if the people identify themselves with their way of life.
Without their way of life, they HAVE NO LIFE. The end. Over. No more progression, no more growth, no more experience, only stagnation and inevitable death.
It's blatantly veiling genocide as "something similar but different".
In the end, it's jsut saying that corporate monarchy and consumerism are "the" way of life. "my way or the highway" is prejudiced, and in fact outright destroys integral diversity.
Its the way of the world, as heartless as it is, its how the majority of the global economy operates. Capitalism is built on dominance, and as cruel as it sometimes is it does the job (personally I think there are better ways, but thats off topic) You want genocide carried out by modern Americans? Look at George Bush (not W, his daddy) and his actions in south America during his presidency, that is genocide.
GenkiSudo: They HAVE been robbed of their culture, but America as a whole does this to everyone. Most people dont really have much culture in the US aside from American culture, most ethnic traditions get left behind or become void of all meaning after one or two generations. Again, not saying it is right, but if people cant adapt than there is nothing that can really be done to help them. Look at the tribes who have become rich from tax free sales and casinos. Also ask any Native American how much they have to pay for college. There are ways for people to survive, but to expect anyone to make drastic revisions to our country to give people back land just so they can be "happy" is naive in my opinion. Ideally, it would happen, but our world is not an ideal place.
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Originally Posted by deady
GenkiSudo: They HAVE been robbed of their culture, but America as a whole does this to everyone. Most people dont really have much culture in the US aside from American culture, most ethnic traditions get left behind or become void of all meaning after one or two generations. Again, not saying it is right, but if people cant adapt than there is nothing that can really be done to help them.
Now I understand that ethnocide happens within all the people in the USA, which is a country constantly seeking for an identity, but don't forget that many of the original owners of the land don't want to watch it lethargically as the invasive force of the USA - that is not much older than 300 years - takes over their land and destroy what's left of the sacred places such as burial sites. You think its fair for them to concede and give up? What would you do in that regard if you were in their position?
They should continue to fight (ideologically and diplomatically I mean, I'm against violence as it doesn't solve anything other than causing even more pain) and demand respect. They can't just shut up and act like if everything is cool.
Originally Posted by deady
Look at the tribes who have become rich from tax free sales and casinos. Also ask any Native American how much they have to pay for college. There are ways for people to survive, but to expect anyone to make drastic revisions to our country to give people back land just so they can be "happy" is naive in my opinion. Ideally, it would happen, but our world is not an ideal place.
That would defeat the purpose of having an identity/legacy and the need to defend it.
Its sad that one would need to give up their identity and legacy because of an external influence that took over their land, culture and creeds.
Specially under today's morals and standards... And ironically USA acts if they're all about morals, standards and principles, democracy, liberty/freedom, and all those words that seem to be devoid of their actual meaning.
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Genocide is what the Germans did to the Jews, what the English or Americans did to the Indians was take over their country or land in war. This has happened throughout history. The Romans were really good at it and later the Spanish and the English. Is it wrong? Sure. But is it genocide? No.
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