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Appeal to the web design team: make the forum interface not fucking stupid
hi toribash staff. this is an issue that has bothered me for a long time. any post with less than 2 full paragraphs leaves a huge amount of empty space for literally no reason. even with signatures and avatars off, i can only see about 3 to 4 posts on the page at once.



why?
this next image was all I could fit into 1 visible space and none of the posts had even extended the box at all. this is the MINIMUM SIZE for posts.

what the fuck




here. for reference, lets see the post size of some other popular bulletin boards and social media.


Reddit:



here you can see multiple posts.





wait a sec. those reddit posts are pretty dang small! let's see how many we can fit in one Toribash post.

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three posts! goodness gracious

>>but boStaff, Reddit isn't a bulletin board! toribash doesn't have nested replies; that's an unfair comparison!

that's a fair point. why don't we look at a more traditional bulletin board without any sort of default nesting.

4chan:







Bear with me; I know 4chan isn't a shining example of a functioning community, but its design is brilliant and fundamentally compact. look at those teeny tiny posts! wowie zowie!!

>>B-b-but boStaff, 4chan doesn't have avatars and signatures!! That must be the reason posts on Toribash are so bloated, right??

well, first off, all the toribash examples I've posted are with avatars and signatures disabled. how interesting

but you're right -- the posts are EVEN FUCKING BIGGER with avatars and signatures enabled.

i wonder why the toribash posts are the only ones i have to spoil....hmmmmmmmmmmm.......



Wow, glad i had all that blank space for that 2-sentence shitpost. how practical! wait no

Here's what it would look like if the post was resized proportional to the amount of content.



you could probably optimize space even further, but you get the point.

lets see how many we can fit in the original, unaltered post!



that's almost 2!

now how many can fit in a full page?

kinda big


wow. instead of the 3 original posts that I showed in that section of my screen, it totals to about 5.2. my monitor is pretty low-res too (1280x1024). keep in mind that the original picture had NO avatars and NO signatures, yet the edited version has both.
This is also keeping all the user information intact, too. belt rank, join date, report button, whatever. if users didnt feel the need to be special snowflakes then we could make the posts even smaller, but I can only argue so much.

I understand that this specific method would be awkward with larger avatars. maybe you could have the avatar on one side of the post and the information on the other or something. i'm not a web or graphic designer. these ideas aren't perfect. that's why YOU are the staff and I'm not. but that does not discount my suggestion; it is in no objective way a negative change and can only help the quality of the board. as far as I'm aware, it should be easy to do, too. my suggestion isn't a complete overhaul of the interface, it's just a minor change in the usage of screen space.

get on this please, devs. i guarantee none of you want to have an inefficient or impractical looking board. bostaff out
Last edited by boStaff; Nov 16, 2015 at 06:57 AM.
shmevin eats smegma
well it's not like half the posters in this thread support the idea or anything...
also sir, did you read the OP? i clearly designed a more compact post theme that detracts LITERALLY NOTHING from the post.

also Tuna if you didnt have cataracts in your eyes you'd see my point about appealing to tradition still stands; im not saying we should change SOLELY because Reddit does something (and already has been), i'm pointing out the fact that much more popular communities adhere to a trend of better themes for their posts. hmm, i wonder if there is any correlation

I also have avatars and signatures disabled. post backgrounds dont bother me because they dont do much to bloat a post like the others do. but disabling avatars is mostly useless - even without them, posts actually don't get any smaller. i can provide examples if you dont believe me
Last edited by boStaff; Nov 21, 2015 at 12:18 AM.
shmevin eats smegma
Getting back to this. Does this look better? http://code.toribash.com/~sir/showth...226&styleid=20
Still has an issue with stretching tables on long names but making profile part wider looks crappy.

Also I killed the whitespace in forum's default style (you can see that on my post now).
Only supporting if this is an option and non-default style.

Really it just looks cluttered, I know this is an early WIP but I prefer what we have now immensely.
Originally Posted by sir View Post
Getting back to this. Does this look better? http://code.toribash.com/~sir/showth...226&styleid=20
Still has an issue with stretching tables on long names but making profile part wider looks crappy.

Also I killed the whitespace in forum's default style (you can see that on my post now).

looks great! i would consider making the black bars smaller since they now take up about 5-10% of the post. also consider putting avatars on the right side of the post; may seem weird but I've seen it work well on lots of forums. you also could just make the name smaller and a bit bolder.

my apologies to the staff for the harsh language, by the way. i'm trying to help the community because i love the community. you guys are my home.
Last edited by boStaff; Nov 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM.
shmevin eats smegma
Originally Posted by sir View Post
Getting back to this. Does this look better? http://code.toribash.com/~sir/showth...226&styleid=20
Still has an issue with stretching tables on long names but making profile part wider looks crappy.

Also I killed the whitespace in forum's default style (you can see that on my post now).

Looks amazing like that. I would suggest making the faint grey line on the right side of the players name go in a straight line down, not spaced awkwardly different. Take a look at "420BongSquad", the grey line to the right of his name is a little to the right compared to the rest of the posts. If that could all be one straight line, that would make it look better, just an opinion.

I also agree with the OP, I support this.
It wouldn't take much, and it seems to have been something sir did, so if it took 1 person to do it, it can't be all that hard, could it?

I also really appreciate that sir was actual willing to take some time and put something together, to give us a visual of BoStaff's idea. Now that I saw it that way, it changed my view a bit. I would actually like the website too look at that.


Thanks sir for the visual, I agree with BoStaff, this is a good idea, make the grey lines on the website that Sir made all be all one line instead of awkwardly positioned as they are now.
Last edited by Lazors; Nov 25, 2015 at 09:04 PM.
You know what the problem is?
I didn't read all comments, do not take this with hate but, what happens with big Images?
There would be a restriction of pixels or something?
Look at my post, it's all covered by white because image and things as achievemnts, Join date and mood
Running away...
I like your suggestion, but it surely could have been phrased more politely.

Extra space makes everything look a bit misplaced, though I agree with others that it should assuredly be both an option and something that is variable on size. Everyone seems to forget that the suggestion isn't t shorten the post windows, it's to eliminate the extra space on said post windows.

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goodbye cruel world

I did stuff



I fudged around with some CSS, and then I tried to halve the size of the black bar thing for fun and couldn't figure out how and quit. I'm not sure how I like what I made though. There's also the issue of the hyperlink to the specific post and the date posted being missing. Those could be worked in though, I'm sure. This was mainly just for me to visualize what it would look like without the black bars in between posts taking up 5-10% of each post.


There might be a reason I haven't touched websites in years.

I also experimented with changing the place of the date



Changed location of the date, removed the reply button on the top of the screen and removed the black bar on top of the post. I don't know why I'm doing this.
Last edited by NotShadow; Dec 3, 2015 at 12:56 AM.