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Old 2 Weeks Ago   #1
Xene
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Violence , what is it really?
Ok...so , on a synthesis. Recently , i've been trying to learn some stuff via pdf archives. In one of em i found a peculiar definition of violence that i wanted to share.
" Violence: Attitude or behaviour that consist in a violation of the human being ( or a deprivation) that is essencial as a person. (physical, psychical, moral, rights, liberties) ".
Leaving on the sides examples of these " It can be executed by a person, an institution (prison) or a structural situation (laboral explotation, social injustice, ethnocentrism, etc...)"

Which basically means that a deprivation of a human right is a form of violence such as censorship in freedom of speech. Which got me kinda confused and doubt the verosimilitude/precision of the text. So i wanted to know what are y'all opinions. Is this the proper definition?
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That's an awfully specific definition for a word as versatile as this. Seems like the text is talking about human rights violation, not violence in general.

Is it a proper definition? No, not really, but it isn't wrong in a sense that you can define any word in a way that you want to fit your agenda
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Old 1 Week Ago   #3
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Well Violence comes from something that is Violent. And that is an Adjective. And Adjectives can never be Objective or have ONE factual definition. It's up to your opinion of what is and what isn't. So objectively defining an Adjective in complete detail is impossible.

The best we can do is vaguely come up with a concept of what the vast majority of Humans believe "Violent" or "Violence" means or is.

Violence: A Word used to describe a subjective level of behavior or activity that is too aggressive, disorderly, immoral, assertive, or powerful.

Violent:A Word used to describe something or someone that behaves in a subjectively high level of aggression, disorder, immorality, assertiveness, or power.

The angry dog is quite violent.

The storm violently tore through the town.

Violence is a current problem in our word.


I think it'd be something like that, I think what's important about defining violence is including that living things, inanimate things, and nature can act violently as well. As Violent can be as simple as describing a movement or behavior.

As well as including that Violent is subjective. What is violent could differ from person to person, society to society, and country to country.

No one can objectively claim anything to be violent.
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Old 1 Week Ago   #4
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Originally Posted by matarika View Post
As well as including that Violent is subjective. What is violent could differ from person to person, society to society, and country to country.

No one can objectively claim anything to be violent.

When there is broad agreement on a matter though, such as the immorality of eating babies, we can start to make objective claims on concepts/issues classically considered to be subjective.

Since this is an epistemological question - 'How do we find truth?' - it is also relevant to examine the definition of truth. What does it mean for something to be true - Is there a moral component to this? Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson (or somewhere in-between)

Where does having a divergent conception of what violence is rank on the 'subjective agreement' scale? If eating babies ranks highly on the scale and believing pineapple on pizza is good ranks lowly, what do we think the concept of violence scores? I think we'd probably agree with each other on most points about what violence is, and I reckon the broader population would probably agree with each-other also.

If you and I accept the agreed upon standard, socially-constructed meaning of violence as our baseline, then we can begin to construct a scenario in which something could be objectively considered to be violent. Whaddaya say?

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Violence is nature's natural selection, only the strong and intelligent survive.
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Old 1 Week Ago   #6
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Everyone is Violent, it's just a survival instinct i suppose in some circumstances.
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Originally Posted by Gang View Post
Violence is nature's natural selection, only the strong and intelligent survive.

So going by your logic school shootings are natural selection? I don't think those two really go hand in hand
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