Originally Posted by tarektarek

Yeah I am on East actually

Originally Posted by Oracle

You're comparing apples to oranges. Fizz's ult is an aoe nuke, so it should be compared similarly to aoe nukes. TF's ult is a global ult, and as such should be compared to one.

And in the argument that a lvl 6 Fizz can take on a lvl 6 TF depends entirely on the player, not the champ. A good TF will not engage in close quarters combat and use his range to his advantage until he can easily go in for the kill. Similarly, a good Fizz will try to close the distance to give himself the advantage and try to get as much damage as he possibly can in when he manages to close the gap, going for the kill when he thinks he can burst it. While Fizz has the higher damage output at this point, TF has the better poke so long as he keeps his distance.

Originally Posted by cocacobra

Yea, this is the same with every ranged player. Tf is pretty good at laning im not complaining about that hes just crazy weak. Also compare pantheons ult to tf, does a bunch of damage and pretty sure the cd is the same or close to

Originally Posted by Oracle

You can't argue that somebody is good in lane, yet weak. To be even remotely good in lane, you have to be able to hold your own against your lane opponent, otherwise they'll just zone you out.

Comparing Pantheon's ult to TF's ult, you're looking at it from a purely offensive perspective. TF's ult provides vision of every champion, along with wards, and takes significantly less time to warp in. Pantheon's does scaling magic damage in a large aoe upon landing (which will never, EVER get to any respectable damage unless you land right on them, or you're trolling and doing AP panth), and can avoid damage (like a karth ult) if timed right, but takes a long time to channel in comparison. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Originally Posted by 2worlds

those builds
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