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Originally Posted by sir
Some of my personal thoughts, not anyhow related to CS decisions:
Is there any good reason to have a sidekick clan apart from trying to evade the clan system limitations? Well sure, you can recruit new players more recklessly - simply because they don't wear your clan's main tag and you can always appeal to the fact that it's just a feeder clan in case they turn out to be idiots. I remember 2010's Russian clans doing that, but back then there wasn't a proper clan system yet and it was mainly done by "bigger" clans like Hack.
However, recruiting members just for the sake of getting more people doesn't seem like a good idea to me, especially for a clan that's been around for years now. Can you still get more people without the feeder clan? Sure. Yes, you'll need to take a closer look at your applicants first, but there is nothing extraordinary about it. We've raised the member cap for all clans who are at least slightly active (getting past level 10 isn't that hard, see [AS]), so it's less of an issue than it could be few months ago before the clan system update.
Having feeder clans officially allowed also poses a threat to any other legitimate unofficial clan as players may just join a child clan of an already official one rather than risk their time and TC trying to become official on their own.
To me this whole situation looks like Parrot (being one of the oldest active clans with 50% staff or ex-staff members) thought they could do anything just because they are who they are, but it turned out they can't. You still had at least 10 free spots in your clan after the clan update, go play some wars if you need more. Like seriously, you only have 66 wars and the clan has been around since the clans system was introduced. All Stars had more wars this week than you had in the last 2 years, like are you being serious? There are 9 clans founded in 2017 who were more active than Parrot, what makes your clan more special than them? (Quick tip: winning a clan event does, but not in that sense)
Your whole bullshit argument there sir is based on the unfounded assumption that we created Parakeet just to avoid a membercap.
That was not the case. We wanted to develop players who wouldn't normally get into Parrot into players who could. Not a lot of people who apply for Parrot end up getting in. Parakeet would develop members into better members. That was the point of it.
So kindly piss off with your bullshit argument based on membercap limits, sir.
It just so happens, that we as a clan decided to hold off on making Parakeet live until we had actually went and raised our membercap.
We raised it, we have spots now. We started Parakeet. It has in no way shape or form changed from the original post almost a month ago til now one what it was going to be or what it is now. Rai and duck both approved it. They approved an even more outrageous version.
We raised it, we have spots now. We started Parakeet. It has in no way shape or form changed from the original post almost a month ago til now one what it was going to be or what it is now. Rai and duck both approved it. They approved an even more outrageous version.
Last edited by Ping; Nov 18, 2017 at 09:54 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
Your whole bullshit argument there sir is based on the unfounded assumption that we created Parakeet just to avoid a membercap.
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So kindly piss off with your bullshit argument based on membercap limits, sir.
Please Ele, I know you can read; my post wasn't just about the membercap.
Originally Posted by Ele
That was not the case. We wanted to develop players who wouldn't normally get into Parrot into players who could. Not a lot of people who apply for Parrot end up getting in. Parakeet would develop members into better members. That was the point of it.
That's exactly what I said in the beginning of my post, yes. You want to be able to recruit new people but don't want them to have Parrot tag because making sure they're worth it takes time you don't want to spend. But isn't that something that you have to do when your clan is massively known? What makes you unable to recruit them to Parrot now, put them in some "Recruits" rank with no management perms and give them guidance until they can become full members?
Saying it again, to me it looks like you found a loophole in a system, tried to abuse it but started whining when it got closed. There may be more reasons why you think a child clan is necessary but so far I haven't seen any of you mention it.
From my understanding Parakeet was made so we'd get to know more people who would otherwise be unknown. I have never been a famous person, staff, and didn't really know people in Parrot for the most part, but here I am, in Parrot for like 3-4 years and I feel like I fit in and made a lot of friends. Truth is, that age where we would accept random people who seemed cool and had a good app are somewhat over. We've built up a reputation and consider our member spots a lot highly that we'd rather not risk adding some random person we don't know who made a good app. While just adding well known people is good and all, it doesn't add a WHOLE LOT of interesting discussions and such.
So, we decided to have an unofficial clan for people to assimilate into Parrot. Its not strictly a feeder clan, more of an extension to the Parrot community. While this may seem pointless to some, its simply the most convenient one for us. We are a clan that heavily uses irc still and only a portion of us use Discord. Instead of having interested people hang out in irc to meet some of us and use Discord to meet some more, and post in our forums to meet with the rest, why not just just give them an existing community? The reasoning is simple: People don't like to wait. A person who isn't well known but would otherwise be an enjoyable addition would probably not get in for a few weeks, and eventually give up and join another clan. Another recruit lost because we're strict in our applicants.
Instead of that, extend them an invite to Parakeet. They may find that they enjoy the players there enough to stay, and maybe if they're more close to the Parrot clan we can send them an invite. I really don't see a moral issue with this. we aren't doing this for a higher membercap, we aren't going to farm wars on them (you can spy on our war history if you don't believe me), and the argument that we're going to ruin other unofficial clans is honestly a little ridiculous. Does anyone remember Bleu? Clans were thriving even though they were accepting any and all applicants, which is more than Parakeet would accept.
I'm just trying to get our point across without being rude, a lot of other Parrots feel extremely shafted because we put a lot of work into this only for it to be shut down for what some people believe is a personal beef, which I can personally attest to as a real possibility.
So, we decided to have an unofficial clan for people to assimilate into Parrot. Its not strictly a feeder clan, more of an extension to the Parrot community. While this may seem pointless to some, its simply the most convenient one for us. We are a clan that heavily uses irc still and only a portion of us use Discord. Instead of having interested people hang out in irc to meet some of us and use Discord to meet some more, and post in our forums to meet with the rest, why not just just give them an existing community? The reasoning is simple: People don't like to wait. A person who isn't well known but would otherwise be an enjoyable addition would probably not get in for a few weeks, and eventually give up and join another clan. Another recruit lost because we're strict in our applicants.
Instead of that, extend them an invite to Parakeet. They may find that they enjoy the players there enough to stay, and maybe if they're more close to the Parrot clan we can send them an invite. I really don't see a moral issue with this. we aren't doing this for a higher membercap, we aren't going to farm wars on them (you can spy on our war history if you don't believe me), and the argument that we're going to ruin other unofficial clans is honestly a little ridiculous. Does anyone remember Bleu? Clans were thriving even though they were accepting any and all applicants, which is more than Parakeet would accept.
I'm just trying to get our point across without being rude, a lot of other Parrots feel extremely shafted because we put a lot of work into this only for it to be shut down for what some people believe is a personal beef, which I can personally attest to as a real possibility.
FIRED UP
Y'all saying that Parakeet was made because Parrot wants to see a new wave of players in their group, but want to maintain the image and prestige that people associate with the clan name.
Because of this, y'all cannot just pick any random person out there, and those who join rarely fit the quota (assuming they weren't discouraged to apply at all).
Instead of relying on the current recruitment system, you folks decide to make a child clan as a way to "mold" players into what you deem fit instead of sitting there hoping someone good shows up. A mutually beneficial relationship.
A more active way of working with the community to increase your ranks w/o being saturated with crap.
Eh?
Because of this, y'all cannot just pick any random person out there, and those who join rarely fit the quota (assuming they weren't discouraged to apply at all).
Instead of relying on the current recruitment system, you folks decide to make a child clan as a way to "mold" players into what you deem fit instead of sitting there hoping someone good shows up. A mutually beneficial relationship.
A more active way of working with the community to increase your ranks w/o being saturated with crap.
Eh?
