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Originally Posted by Valterain1 View Post
This simply has to do with the fact that you didn't get what you wanted at birth, regardless of the fact that nothing is wrong with the way you were born. Your race was not a mistake biologically. Your race has to do with your parents

You do realize your gender is dependent on your parents as well, right? Assuming a conventional conception, you have a 50/50 chance based on your father's sperm containing either an x or y chromosome. Now let's assume that "you" as a philosophical entity rather than a physical entity (basically, you as a conscience, not the physical you) could have been born to any set of parents, but you were born to x race of parents. Would it be fair to say that the odds of your gender are any less of a mistake than the odds of your parents' race? Of course not, there is no mistake in any of this, it's all just random chance.

And would it be fair to complain about having rolled unfavorably? Of course it would be, the result was not wanted and you have no way to change the result and through no choice of your own did it come about. It is entirely unfair for anybody to be born into any circumstance that they did not want, and it would be unreasonable to deny them from changing their circumstances, particularly if it does not effect others negatively.
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Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Society is, and has been, becoming more tolerant. We're at a stage where we're accepting of people who disagree with their biological sex, and decide to change it (Bruce Jennar). Do you think we will ever be at a stage where we're accepting of people who disagree with their biological race?

I will never accept people's delusions about there race, gender or whatever it's going to be next.
Inb4 "I'm a furry trapped in a man's body, I have the right to have sex with cats n shit".
Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
You do realize your gender is dependent on your parents as well, right? Assuming a conventional conception, you have a 50/50 chance based on your father's sperm containing either an x or y chromosome. Now let's assume that "you" as a philosophical entity rather than a physical entity (basically, you as a conscience, not the physical you) could have been born to any set of parents, but you were born to x race of parents. Would it be fair to say that the odds of your gender are any less of a mistake than the odds of your parents' race? Of course not, there is no mistake in any of this, it's all just random chance.

And would it be fair to complain about having rolled unfavorably? Of course it would be, the result was not wanted and you have no way to change the result and through no choice of your own did it come about. It is entirely unfair for anybody to be born into any circumstance that they did not want, and it would be unreasonable to deny them from changing their circumstances, particularly if it does not effect others negatively.

Life is not about getting what you want at all. What you are born as is what you are born as. If you go so out of your way to change the way you were born just because a few people who are entirely unimportant to you dislike what you are, then you shouldn't be allowed to live in the real world.
Valterain1 was defeated by hermaphrodite on Oct 17, 2015.
If you want to tone yourself black go the fuck ahead.
If you are racially biased thats not cool.

The problem isnt people wanting to be black or white or w/e. The basic problem is that we see race and colour and make desicions upon that. The fact that we need or have NAACP is more of a problem to me than that someone wants to have darker skin. In my ideal world that woman would be just someone who wanted darker skin.

Apart from the fact that she was a leader of a racial organization I see no problem with this.
Who the fuck cares if someone wants to be black. Not my problem and propably not very damaging to society. WHO THE FUCK CARES.

Originally Posted by Valterain1 View Post
Life is not about getting what you want at all. What you are born as is what you are born as. If you go so out of your way to change the way you were born just because a few people who are entirely unimportant to you dislike what you are, then you shouldn't be allowed to live in the real world.


That's absurd (Ele keeps changing that). You are born with what you have and thats it? Of course you should have the right to change your identity and self in any way you like, as long its not damaging to others you muppet.

Originally Posted by raaage View Post
I will never accept people's delusions about there race, gender or whatever it's going to be next.
Inb4 "I'm a furry trapped in a man's body, I have the right to have sex with cats n shit".

Same to you. (this as well)

Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
You do realize your gender is dependent on your parents as well, right? Assuming a conventional conception, you have a 50/50 chance based on your father's sperm containing either an x or y chromosome. Now let's assume that "you" as a philosophical entity rather than a physical entity (basically, you as a conscience, not the physical you) could have been born to any set of parents, but you were born to x race of parents. Would it be fair to say that the odds of your gender are any less of a mistake than the odds of your parents' race? Of course not, there is no mistake in any of this, it's all just random chance.

And would it be fair to complain about having rolled unfavorably? Of course it would be, the result was not wanted and you have no way to change the result and through no choice of your own did it come about. It is entirely unfair for anybody to be born into any circumstance that they did not want, and it would be unreasonable to deny them from changing their circumstances, particularly if it does not effect others negatively.

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Last edited by cowmeat; Jun 16, 2015 at 09:18 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
being white saying that you identify as black is like having two cans,
one of them is peaches and one is pineapples. the peaches wants to be pineapples so it changes its label

does this mean that the can of peaches is now a can of pineapples?

no, it doesnt

so basically,
just because you think you are or want be something, doesn't mean you actually are

i identify as a regular person who doesnt have to obey laws
i guess i dont have to obey laws now
Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
How I assume it happened: She grew up with adopted(!) black brothers, tried desperately to fit in but didn't. Grew up with an inferiority/victim complex because she's incredibly beta and because her siblings are confident people, feels that she too would be like them if she was black. It's down to bad parenting and stupidity.

Look at those neckbeards who watch naruto/bleach/whatever shitty jump people watch nowadays and desperately want to be japanese because they want to feel what the characters in the animu feel(mainly the love and warmth of a family and friends), and instead end up acting like idiots and pushing away their actual family because they want to be japanese and hate the gaijin-desuXD

sorry, but you are totally hypocritical,
If you masturbate to your fetish you probably a sick minded cause you like weird stuff, and is pervert because you watch porn.
this guys can be what they want and it wont turn them into freaks.
if you say every different thing you see is a disease, then you are totally wrong.
I dont know how you feel so like a perfect human with your psychologic,
we must put you in discussion and see what people will say about you.
Originally Posted by dengue View Post
sorry, but you are totally hypocritical,
If you masturbate to your fetish you probably a sick minded cause you like weird stuff, and is pervert because you watch porn.
this guys can be what they want and it wont turn them into freaks.
if you say every different thing you see is a disease, then you are totally wrong.
I dont know how you feel so like a perfect human with your psychologic,
we must put you in discussion and see what people will say about you.

Sorry but feeling like you were born into the wrong body is a disorder - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysphoria

It's not normal to believe you are a man inside a woman's body, or a black inside a white body, or a squirrel inside a human body. This is quite a serious disorder, it's not question of personal freedom to determine your own identity, it's a question of leaving serious mental illness untreated.
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Question for you Pig. Do you support transgender reparative therapy?

For people who are unaware of what that is - taken straight from the wiki summary;
Reparative therapy is the notion that homosexuality and transgenderism can, and should, be "cured." Many reparative therapy "camps" are maintained where afflicted children may be sent by their parents (though some adults also send themselves to these boot camps) to be "cured" of homosexuality: however, these re-education facilities amount to little more than non-fatal (at least not intentionally fatal) concentration camps. Many camps are deliberately located outside United States territory in order to avoid US jurisdiction and, ostensibly, circumvent US laws.

Some critics are concerned that reparative therapy puts its "patients" at risk for suicide.

In 2015, Barack Obama came out against the practice, calling for its end in the United States.

Transgender reparative therapy is occasionally practiced on children who display cross-gender behaviors, often by misguided professional psychiatrists who seek to, for example, get young boys to "drop the Barbie." Such efforts to force young children into rigid gender roles are eerily similar to the practices of gay "conversion therapy."

Last edited by Ele; Jun 18, 2015 at 09:20 AM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPHyde
g like you were born into the wrong body is a disorder - https://en.wikipedia.orgdyki/Dysphoria

It's not normal to believe you are a man inside a woman's body, or a black inside a white body, or a squirrel inside a human body. This is quite a serious disorder, it's not question of personal freedom to determine your own identity, it's a question of leaving serious mental illness untreated.

I don't think this is relevant to the case. She chose to dress up as black for social reasons. It makes total sense to change your social attributes when the world fails to treat people equally. In Sweden your name might get filtered out if you have a foreign name. How would you deal with this? By staying proud and not conforming or by removing the label?

In the case of transgender people, it's preferable to help the person rather than argue about whether it's a psychic condition or not. If transgender people weren't frowned upon the suicide rates might go down. If their dysphoria can be treated in a humane way, then we have a different argument, but one thing that certainly isn't helping is letting them go through abuse because of their disorder.

Besides, there's always the possibility that their dysphoria was caused by gender stereotypes and similar.
Also this is assuming dysphoria is harmful to the person in question. Suicide rates might be society's responsibility and bipolarity might be treatable without interfering with the dysphoria. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who's not very knowledgeable on psychology.
Brendan (he who passeth judgement on the frequent changing of signatures): I don't do hentai anymore
Even if you do change your skin color you can never be called a different race, lets say your born to an African American family, now because you were born to that family, your also born to a certain set of ancestors and there is no way to change there DNA or genes or Race, that is why trans-race can never be possible.