I'm not saying at all that hemp is a new substance. I'm just saying that the two drugs have different histories and that's why one is legal and the other is not.
Okay I hear you. Their respective history explain why one is legal and the other isn't, but that doesn't justify it nor is a viable reason not to change it.
Saying "Alcohol is legal? Well... let's legalize marijuana too then." is a wrong assumption.
It's not totally "wrong" but not judicious and a bit oversimplifying.
See it this way : if alcohol didn't exist and the number of marijuana users was the same, the question would still needs to be asked. Does it really have to stay forbidden and criminalized if a large portion of the population feels like it's okay to use it ? considering the cost of prosecution, the cost of the "war on drugs", the fact that the actual way to deal with users doesn't help them at all nor stop them from using, the illegal traffic etc...
Truth is, from todays health standards, Alcohol should rather be forbidden than Marijuana legalized.
I'm not sure what you mean by health standards. But people have the right to consume their brain, body and health as they wish, we're not in a "perfect health dictatorship" from what I know. Plus assuming that every users eventually use to the point of getting sick is pretty inacurate.
Abusing something is certainly bad. But because some people abuse something, it doesn't mean the reasonnable ones should be forbidden to use that same "something".
See it this way : if alcohol didn't exist and the number of marijuana users was the same, the question would still needs to be asked. Does it really have to stay forbidden and criminalized if a large portion of the population feels like it's okay to use it ? considering the cost of prosecution, the cost of the "war on drugs", the fact that the actual way to deal with users doesn't help them at all nor stop them from using, the illegal traffic etc...
I repeat: I'm pretty much neutral about this topic. And I'm too less informed and involved to argue on a serious level. All I was trying to say is that you can't compare the legal situation of Alcohol to the legal situation of Marijuana and therefore THAT arguement is invalid.
I'm not sure what you mean by health standards.
Alcohol would not get the market authorisation nowadays.
Over and out.
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I'm going to add my opinion. I don't care either way because I don't smoke, its been about 4/5 years since I have but...
As long as the government handle the laws appropriately(which they would) and they had a way to control it properly. I see no reason if average Joe wants to go home and smoke a bowl why he shouldn't be able to. In the US people really seem to be opening up to the idea that it should be legalized.
As long as the government handle the laws appropriately(which they would) and they had a way to control it properly. I see no reason if average Joe wants to go home and smoke a bowl why he shouldn't be able to. In the US people really seem to be opening up to the idea that it should be legalized.
Just to make clear, I am neutral on this topic, I have yet to find a reasonable claim that outweighs all the opposing arguments, either pro or against drug legalisation world wide.
/rant (Those of you who limits this topic to the US are just * that needs to widen your grasp of the modern world, "Cannabis abuse", or "drug abuse", is a problem in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world as well. And if we look down south of you * we find a great continent facing problems of a scale you barely even grasp.) /end rant
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Truth is most drugs were legal once, look at heroin and how it were used as a legal drug against cold, pain and coughing in general. Lets just say it became a successful business idea and 1925 the substance got banned in the US, a few years after Europe had banned it.
Wi-ki is worth a few reads as they are greatly relevant to the paragraphs below, and the topic in genral.
Not really, look at the history absinthe. It got banned due to a large pressure from the wine houses in France, and soon the world followed France in its steps against absinthe. Now the circumstances were mainly the aftershock and high prices of wine due to the great french wine blight back in the mid of the 19th century.
Now from a modern standpoint one of the most reasonable pro absinthe arguments is that above; If alcohol is legal, then absinthe should be legal as well; and it is a decent argument since most of the opposition still claims that it
1) is a psychoactive agent (which is to a large extent false, it would be easier to get high from tea made of Artemisia absinthium which can be brought at a supermarket...),
2) makes you suicidal (a myth risen from the sphere that abused other drugs beside of absinthe (which were used like alcoholic beverages today), the great artists of the mid 19th century...)
Now similar stories goes for almost every other drug out there, the most addictive have a history not much different from that of heroin, and the "soft" ones have a history much like absinthe.
Pre 19th century cannabis were a legal substance, and then came the bans 1910 and during the following 30 or so years it became banned in most of the western-influenced societies. As to that date it had been legal and used since a few thousand years BC...
Why? Ask John Gregory Bourke, and please ask him what evidence he had for his research back in india when he wrote on "indian hemp". As far as I'm informed it is less addictive than alcohol, as supported by for example NIDA (I could not find a relevant link as I'm writing this on a stupid-phone, but please use google if you have any doubts).
That is a great idea, or wait, why did the mafia industry go on an explosive growth last time that happened?
Oh yeah, you can make large money out of criminal activity, and the larger the demand, the more money gets laid into a criminal sphere of society, which is yet another pro drug argument that I do not wish to raise...
/rant (Those of you who limits this topic to the US are just * that needs to widen your grasp of the modern world, "Cannabis abuse", or "drug abuse", is a problem in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world as well. And if we look down south of you * we find a great continent facing problems of a scale you barely even grasp.) /end rant
OT: For all of you discussion board users; THIS IS HOW YOU QUOTE SOMEONE, and do not, I repeat, NOT ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOUR SIMILAR TO ORACLEs!
Originally Posted by bigGrin
I'm not saying at all that hemp is a new substance. I'm just saying that the two drugs have different histories and that's why one is legal and the other is not.
Truth is most drugs were legal once, look at heroin and how it were used as a legal drug against cold, pain and coughing in general. Lets just say it became a successful business idea and 1925 the substance got banned in the US, a few years after Europe had banned it.
Originally Posted by bigGrin
Saying "Alcohol is legal? Well... let's legalize marijuana too then." is a wrong assumption.
Wi-ki is worth a few reads as they are greatly relevant to the paragraphs below, and the topic in genral.
Not really, look at the history absinthe. It got banned due to a large pressure from the wine houses in France, and soon the world followed France in its steps against absinthe. Now the circumstances were mainly the aftershock and high prices of wine due to the great french wine blight back in the mid of the 19th century.
Now from a modern standpoint one of the most reasonable pro absinthe arguments is that above; If alcohol is legal, then absinthe should be legal as well; and it is a decent argument since most of the opposition still claims that it
1) is a psychoactive agent (which is to a large extent false, it would be easier to get high from tea made of Artemisia absinthium which can be brought at a supermarket...),
2) makes you suicidal (a myth risen from the sphere that abused other drugs beside of absinthe (which were used like alcoholic beverages today), the great artists of the mid 19th century...)
Now similar stories goes for almost every other drug out there, the most addictive have a history not much different from that of heroin, and the "soft" ones have a history much like absinthe.
Pre 19th century cannabis were a legal substance, and then came the bans 1910 and during the following 30 or so years it became banned in most of the western-influenced societies. As to that date it had been legal and used since a few thousand years BC...
Why? Ask John Gregory Bourke, and please ask him what evidence he had for his research back in india when he wrote on "indian hemp". As far as I'm informed it is less addictive than alcohol, as supported by for example NIDA (I could not find a relevant link as I'm writing this on a stupid-phone, but please use google if you have any doubts).
Originally Posted by bigGrin
Truth is, from todays health standards, Alcohol should rather be forbidden than Marijuana legalized.
That is a great idea, or wait, why did the mafia industry go on an explosive growth last time that happened?
Oh yeah, you can make large money out of criminal activity, and the larger the demand, the more money gets laid into a criminal sphere of society, which is yet another pro drug argument that I do not wish to raise...
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"Drugs are BAD mhh kay...."
whats that? Drugs aren't bad... it's like to say guns kill people but they don't people kill people and people are doing on drugs so its not the drug. Also i wanted to say there are some pretty clear facts that dope cleans up your lungs, and i asked myself is this bad? May there are drugs which are, what you would call, bad like meth and heroin, but there are other drugs that are in use like 10000 of years and if these drugs were so bad like some tv puppets want to tell you we would already be dead as civilazation
whats that? Drugs aren't bad... it's like to say guns kill people but they don't people kill people and people are doing on drugs so its not the drug. Also i wanted to say there are some pretty clear facts that dope cleans up your lungs, and i asked myself is this bad? May there are drugs which are, what you would call, bad like meth and heroin, but there are other drugs that are in use like 10000 of years and if these drugs were so bad like some tv puppets want to tell you we would already be dead as civilazation
