NON-EXISTING!
Originally Posted by sir
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They're used widely (except for spiritwrestling) now, so what's the purpose of this thread then? If it was to prove that the current choice of mods is fine - why is this discussion a thing?
No idea why the thread was made, it is pretty obvious that these are the mods people want (as they are the ones played).
Originally Posted by sir
My argument is that forcing people to play new complicated mods they've never heard of in ranked fights would be horrible. First make a mod and get it popular, then suggest it being used in ranked rooms / matchmaking.
valetudo is a mod that isn't really played now but older aikido players heard of it (I'm pretty sure at least snake did). Anyway, the thing isn't that I suggested valetudo to be used instead of aikido but that the simplest way to fix shoveling issue is to make engagedistance higher. Yes the gameplay won't be the same but at least you won't have to explain a regular player all the settings with a wall of text / charts / images.
No issues with snake (even now when he doesn't bother to read my post and pretty much breaks discussion rules but whatever), it's apparently him who thinks me and hampa are the same person and thus behaves weird. He's got some good suggestions sometimes but he can't stand any criticism and that's usually the reason why he isn't taken seriously.
As for condemning most popular mods - I don't think I do that. Yes I think that erthtkv2 is bad and I proved why earlier, that's probably the only currently popular mod that I dislike and don't understand why it's even being suggested as a competitive substitution for taekkyon. Other mods are more or less fine from my opinion but it weirds me that the group of people "trying to make toribash competitive" take some of them out and suggest replacements that either make you cry because of how boring they are to play or suggest substitutions that have the same exact problems.
Also quick note: if a mod makes you play the only way modmaker wanted it to be played, it doesn't mean it's good.
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They're used widely (except for spiritwrestling) now, so what's the purpose of this thread then? If it was to prove that the current choice of mods is fine - why is this discussion a thing?
Your whole post is incredibly misguided.
First of all about Erthtkv2, nobody has proven it to be a bad mod. Sure it can be improved slightly. But if Erth says its bad its badm its bad? wtf? Erth doesnt play competitively, he plays for fun? Also there are people who know taekkyon better than him at this point who think erthtk is better. If we were to play 10 games of erthtk Id probably go 8-2 agaisnt you. How does that not classify as a competitive mod if my winrate agaisnt medium-good players is consistently high.
"I dislike and don't understand why it's even being suggested as a competitive substitution for taekkyon"
If you think Taekkyon is more competitive im just going to ignore everything you say from now on.
"now, so what's the purpose of this thread then? If it was to prove that the current choice of mods is fine - why is this discussion a thing?"
Because something is "good", it doesn't mean people shouldn't strive to make things better. Are you trolling or are you seriously this handicapped.
You came here to shit on the thread with no actual input. Please leave.
And my point would be that the mods that do get exposure are the ones approved by the staff and duel community. I won't say it's definitely so, but new mods don't really have a chance because of previous reasons.
I think I do understand what you're saying, though. There are really three groups of people in toribash. The beginners, the casuals, and the elitists. Because these groups are so different in preference, it might be necessary to have three categories for them. Let me show you what I mean:
Beginners - you've just started the game and need some simple mods to start with that feel satisfying and makes you familiar with the game. Beginners tend to play mushu, twinswords, and jousting.
Casuals - people who don't take the game seriously, but are relatively advanced players. Abd, greykido, ninjutsu, erthtk, and mushu are popular among then. (I mention erthtk specifically because it's more satisfying and simple from my experience)
Then we have the elitists, who want a fair and fun fight. They're arguably the most advanced and dedicated in the community. And they feel restricted by the mods because of their imperfections, so they create soft rules. The new mods are attempts to make their fights more interesting. Wushu3, brushu, lenshu3ng and aikido7 are the most interesting to those.
Keep in mind this is generalisation.
We might have to form the matchmaking after these groups to make everyone happy. Compromises will only turn people away from the game.
Duh, the idea is to refine the list so a few clicks puts you in a match without waiting for your turn. The problem is that everyone have different preferences as explained above.
I think I do understand what you're saying, though. There are really three groups of people in toribash. The beginners, the casuals, and the elitists. Because these groups are so different in preference, it might be necessary to have three categories for them. Let me show you what I mean:
Beginners - you've just started the game and need some simple mods to start with that feel satisfying and makes you familiar with the game. Beginners tend to play mushu, twinswords, and jousting.
Casuals - people who don't take the game seriously, but are relatively advanced players. Abd, greykido, ninjutsu, erthtk, and mushu are popular among then. (I mention erthtk specifically because it's more satisfying and simple from my experience)
Then we have the elitists, who want a fair and fun fight. They're arguably the most advanced and dedicated in the community. And they feel restricted by the mods because of their imperfections, so they create soft rules. The new mods are attempts to make their fights more interesting. Wushu3, brushu, lenshu3ng and aikido7 are the most interesting to those.
Keep in mind this is generalisation.
We might have to form the matchmaking after these groups to make everyone happy. Compromises will only turn people away from the game.
They're used widely (except for spiritwrestling) now, so what's the purpose of this thread then? If it was to prove that the current choice of mods is fine - why is this discussion a thing?
Duh, the idea is to refine the list so a few clicks puts you in a match without waiting for your turn. The problem is that everyone have different preferences as explained above.
Last edited by Lazors; Aug 23, 2015 at 05:06 PM.
Brendan (he who passeth judgement on the frequent changing of signatures): I don't do hentai anymore
Originally Posted by FistofLife
No idea why the thread was made, it is pretty obvious that these are the mods people want (as they are the ones played).
There's a pretty big difference inbetween what people want to compete in, and what's optimal for competition. First reason being people want to win, obviously, so they'll choose mod(s) they know and in which they think they can cheese easily, even if those mods have huge flaws.
It's what happens with scrub mods like judo, mushu, abd etc... those probably are the first mods fresh scrubs have been able to win fights in because random as frack, so they stick to those and think they'll be #1 in that mod in no time... And they all think the same thing and they all stay scrubs together for the rest of their lives. 3 years later they try a new mod and realize they're shit, and then go back to their old scrub mod or quit toribash.
Something played and popular doesn't necessarily means it's consistent for competition. Sir is right tho, it's hard to force people to play mods they never heard of before for ranked matchs and clanwars, but you can @ Sir xD
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As for my suit of Striking mods, we'll see in a month or two when people will have heard about them more. Or as Fist said, could be tried for a month to see how people react. But for now you guys can stick with lenshu3ng, rk-mma and wushubox... they're broken, old and unbalanced but I guess it's better than nothing for now. It's "fun".
Last edited by deprav; Aug 23, 2015 at 06:11 PM.
I think I do understand what you're saying, though. There are really three groups of people in toribash. The beginners, the casuals, and the elitists. Because these groups are so different in preference, it might be necessary to have three categories for them. Let me show you what I mean:
There is indeed separation. I don't understand why would matchmaking require special mods and no aikido / judo most "scrubs" play though. It doesn't necessarily need to be always ranked - if the idea is to let people play without waiting so that the game was more fun, they should be able to choose whether they want it ranked or not. More stupid stuff that beginners and casuals play in unranked - and several most popular mods we have in ranked rooms for ranked are going to be just fine imo. If elitists want a weird mod they can test yourself in, there'll be a high elo ranked room starting next month where they can play it. There aren't that many elitist players to have some specific mods only they will play included in matchmaking if it has a fixed range of mods - but if there are people willing to play something weird, I'm sure it'd be possible to set such mods on rotation and have them as one mod option.
Originally Posted by deprav
As for my suit of Striking mods, we'll see in a month or two when people will have heard about them more.
This is what I'm talking about, yes. Let's first wait and see what people think of these mods, and if they want to play them on official level - why not.
Last edited by sir; Aug 23, 2015 at 05:54 PM.
