Originally Posted by
sidvicious
Even in the case of Favelas having access to internet (which is not, by any chance, as common as it is in a community like ours) you can't seriously think people would just go for it and make productive researches about politics and the such. They just ''don't care''? It's not the case of not caring. Its the case of not being given the chance to stand for what they believe to be right, to be correct, because at no moment in their lives they received education. I mean actual education, not just learning how to make an Ionic Bond. And you should know, there are so many communities in Brazil that are so much worse than Favelas, in terms of welfare and social structure. Do you think you'll be seeing those places on TV? People there live overwhelmed by crime and violence, some of them on the brink of starvation. With no money, no health, no security, nothing that every human being deserves. In many cases their only choice is to engage in a life of crime as well. ''Their work, their friends, their kids'', well, what about them? What information would they get from a kid? What information would they get from their work, or friends? Aren't they all under the same circumstances? please note, a community like a Favela is not something you can compare to your or my community. It's completely different. If you can look for information on your own it doesn't mean that someone who has nothing in life can, specially when they can barely afford their basic needs. Also note that the eagerness for knowledge is a result of an educated mind.
You should remember that most of political campaigns focus on poor communities like Favelas, oh and they invest a lot on it. ''The Media is manipulated''? No, it takes care of itself, the Media itself wants profit, it makes money out of people's ignorance. A nation that thinks, that comes up with its own ideas, opinions, is their worst nightmare. Plus, I don't have anyone among my family or friends that voted randomly for any candidate. Another detail, a politician that has no history of corruption is not necessarily the salvation for a government. What is right for the people to do is happening right now in our streets.
Originally Posted by
Agentmax
Chris doesn't seem to grasp the under-privileges of certain areas (slums,ghettos,favelas,etc.) that sure it's eaiser to say well it's their fault they elected them. (Might be re-saying what Sid just said) but when your government keeps you dumb and you know nothin over then what you've been told. It's not really their fault. Also don't use the "well they should go out and seek answers" argument. If you are told one thingis this way your entire life and someone says tht one thing is now a different way, would you be so quick to believe them? This is how the politicians got into power. Now with the riots and stuff I feel they finally did smarten up, but to say they should of instantly knew what was going on is pure bigotry
Ok...
I was just starting to like this debate. But you do not rely on anything. Presenting only arguments without substantiate...
Gentlemen, the human being is not naive.
From a philosophical standpoint, Hobbes demonstrated that he is corrupted by society.
From the psychological point of view, if it were as innocent as you say, it would be an eternal child.
It's easy to say that's not my problem, not yours, not the Brazilian people. It's easy to say that all the problems comes from politicians, Sartre endorses this fact: "It's easier to blame others, human being will do this".
To say that people do not know the problems of the country itself is absurd. Wherever they are, they are here, in Brazil. And the poorer and isolated it is, the more these problems will be noticed by themselves.
You can not say that I "doesn't seem to grasp the under-privileges of certain areas", I lived in a Favela of São Paulo. I know what I am saying because I saw it near.
There are favelas poorer than which I lived? Yes, there are. But you can not say that these people do not know that the government are lying to them.
They are corrupted.
They only want the money from "Bolsa Família". You saw this fact when people spread that "Bolsa Familia" was over, our banks are still fixing the damages.
They only want to live in peace, without worrying about "complicated" things like politics our elections. It's easier to sell their votes and take some money to their families.
Just think in a different standpoint. Think over this.
I'm just ending my part in this debate.
Last edited by iver; Jun 27, 2013 at 02:58 AM.