Originally Posted by Gynx
Seems as though we agree on something, huh? ;) I agree with this though discussions in the Council were met with plenty of disagreements. Some people consider those mods less skill based, thus less competitive as a result. I'm not sure I agree.
Well it is true that objectively looking ABD might be the most competitive mod. But being the most competitive in the end in meaningless. For example in LoL, having one champion and one lane, playing 1v1 is more competitive in a sense than 5v5 with 120 champions since that brings inherit unbalances to the game. But would LoL be a better game if there was only one champion and one lane where everything would be down to pure mechanics? totally not.
Same goes for this game. As in LoL, where different champions fit different players, same goes for mods in this game. The variety of mods brings most variety of players to the competitive scene, if you limit the mods radically for competition, you are going to lose the people who are actually really good and dedicated to other mods. For example if there is no erthtk or tk in the modlist, I think I might skip on on the whole thing. Same goes for lenshu for some etc.
If you only bring one or two mods to the rankings, then its just who is the best best ABD clan. And tbh, I dont think thats worth much in the grandiose scale.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 20, 2015 at 01:05 PM.
How can Judo - Based mods be competitive? It's mostly about luck,once you get hit on a certain part of you're body you're unable to use it and that means you don't have control over your body any further. A competitive mod should guarantee the control at least on 70% of your body. Once you get hit in Judo starts the countdown to the DQ,where is skills playing just the first 50 frames and than landing and waiting the part you've dmd to DQ huh? The opener decides the 80% of the match in those mods and there is nothing to do.
So i'd say Judo isn't really a competitive mod.
So i'd say Judo isn't really a competitive mod.
Originally Posted by Hisoka
How can Judo - Based mods be competitive? It's mostly about luck,once you get hit on a certain part of you're body you're unable to use it and that means you don't have control over your body any further. A competitive mod should guarantee the control at least on 70% of your body. Once you get hit in Judo starts the countdown to the DQ,where is skills playing just the first 50 frames and than landing and waiting the part you've dmd to DQ huh? The opener decides the 80% of the match in those mods and there is nothing to do.
So i'd say Judo isn't really a competitive mod.
Well, when playing Drhax in judo I lose 8/10 of the games. As I said in my early post, between average players judo can be a noodlefest but between better players judo is actually a decent competitive mod. There just arent too many competitive judo players atm.
"opener decides the 80% of the match in those mods and there is nothing to do. "
There you are just plainly wrong.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM.
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I pretty much only play tk, so I can't give much input on the other mods and I don't have a good grasp of how they work in competitive settings.
However, erthtkv2 is pretty much the competitive version of tk and does exactly what it should do: make good players win over less good players most of the time. The combat in it is just plain better because of how less random it is and the added turnframes allow both comebacks and insane streaks.
EDIT: I also have a bit of experience with judo and judofrac in competitive settings. Those 2 mods are a no-no. They just aren't competitive enough and have a bit of a random element to them, added to the fact that comebacks are near impossible versus a good player who gets the first blow. For example, you both use a different openener and someone gets a DM off of it immediatly and can then proceed to DM you turn after turn while you can do pretty much noting but stay idle and hope that you don't get DM'ed this turn.
However, erthtkv2 is pretty much the competitive version of tk and does exactly what it should do: make good players win over less good players most of the time. The combat in it is just plain better because of how less random it is and the added turnframes allow both comebacks and insane streaks.
EDIT: I also have a bit of experience with judo and judofrac in competitive settings. Those 2 mods are a no-no. They just aren't competitive enough and have a bit of a random element to them, added to the fact that comebacks are near impossible versus a good player who gets the first blow. For example, you both use a different openener and someone gets a DM off of it immediatly and can then proceed to DM you turn after turn while you can do pretty much noting but stay idle and hope that you don't get DM'ed this turn.
Last edited by Liquidoom; Jul 20, 2015 at 01:17 PM.
There's also ljf, which I haven't had any experience with. If more people would develop the mod to reduce randomness and make the game less opener-heavy (opener-heavy mods lead to randomness) the mod could be a lot more interesting. I made an attempt to make a wrestling variation (heavy custom tf, easy frac, long dqt and only certain parts dq).
Another way to ensure variation would be to alter win conditions. Health bars or score caps aren't in the game yet. Score system was never really used (people hardly even knew about it). Soft bodyparts (parts that don't do damage) were never introduced...
Another way to ensure variation would be to alter win conditions. Health bars or score caps aren't in the game yet. Score system was never really used (people hardly even knew about it). Soft bodyparts (parts that don't do damage) were never introduced...
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