If a certain group of people systemathically acts in a certain way, and if it can be statistically proven that's the case, and if their actions directly impact you negatively, are you not justified in your frustrations with said group? If people cite FBI crime statistics in regards to african-americans, does that make them racist?
If you see statistics or actions and look for no deeper cause than the color of someone's skin then yes, that makes you racist.
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Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on) other members of the game for any reason is not allowed. We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban. This includes any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community - for more information read here
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Regarding homophobic/racial slurs and their usage in public space, here is the current ruleset:Originally Posted by Homophobic/racial slurs rulingAny homophobic or racial slurs are not allowed in what the staff has defined as "public space" under any circumstances. "Public space" is currently defined as:
The entirety of the forums, excluding clan boards
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This has been edited into our FAQs and Beginner's Sanctuary's introduction thread to the rules. Thanks for reading.
However... there are many descriptors which fall outside the umbrella of race. As I said... Judaism is not thought of as a race by all.
Some of us may understand that it is one, but better to cover our bases.
I read everything you wrote, no worries there.
Again, just a question of tense.
Antisemitism -> antisemetic
Religious persecution -> ?
Also religious persecution does not always fall under the umbrella of racism. There are plenty of religions completely divorced from race, with total racial diversity.
I don't wish to make an argument about the new rules and what people want to do with them, I'm glad this can take place. I won't be that person to shut it down. But I think it's important to correctly address the old rules before people blindly say they want to return to them.
The more information part leads to this thread made by Gynx, in 2015: https://forum.toribash.com/showthrea...63#post8454463
Language to "actions disrupt". Especially considering the amount of faith and trust already bestowed upon the staff team, that should be an easy change.
I don't believe a whole community should be required to not "bandwagon" on something. That prevents honest protest. As staff should be trusted in handling such situations subjectivity, I still feel like the emphasis needs to be changed as such.
Well, a few examples from wibbles comes to mind... And how about that new rule everyone hated instantly? But it's obvious that bias from staff, even though not super excessive, is rather uncontrolled. If the matter could actually be as dictated and subjective as they say, it would be much much easier to revvamp the rules to human nature instead of deciding when staff should "tie their hands" on making decisions or not. It's just not natural.
tldr: make the community happy and advocate change the right way. A lot of us are kinda just more and more pissed off.
Another example, this thread in Suggestions about the horrid handling of the market has been COMPLETELY IGNORED by the relevant staff since SEPTEMBER of last year, despite constant bumping by people demanding a response.
It's pretty obvious staff are gonna do as staff does. Staff knows what's best for the community. Mommy knows best...
I think they ought to define what constitutes 'harassment'. Harassment is all about frequency, right? If someone repeatedly says stupid shit, (not naming names) and you repeatedly call them on saying stupid shit, is that harassment? I'd call it constant, genuine disagreement.
My version of the global rules (text editor is fucked so can't make it pretty);
-HarassmentHarassment is defined as repetitive and malicious targeted abuse (through insulting, name-calling, trolling and so on). We wish to maintain a friendly environment, so harassment may result in a ban. There is currently also a standing ban on the malicious usage of any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community.-Pornography/Gore/Warez etc.
"Public space" is defined as:If it's brought to moderator's attention and found that your actions disrupt the integrity of the environment we're setting; warnings, infractions, or bans will take place. Try to solve issues yourself if you can. We can't possibly be there for every single instance. Asking someone politely to stop is a start.
- Game - Any room that is not protected by a password.
- Forum - The entire forum with the exception of Wibbles and clan PRIVATE boards.
Pornography/gore/warez etc. are not allowed in public spaces at any time for any reason within the Toribash community. Any content of this type in any form will result in a severe ban. This includes linking, requesting, or mentioning such content, this community is not the place for it.
I don't really have much to contribute to this discussion, but changing "homophobic" to "queerphobic" and maybe adding "anti-cultural" or "anti-religious" would be kinda nice.
That said, there were immediately a couple people who said they got banned under that ruleset, and I was thinking like "well, they've never acted toxic around me, but they do duel??". Idk, maybe people just act nicer around me. Gosh, aren't I lucky!
Cute, but that's not what hipo asked...
[Long explanation of what racist shit that hipotibor shit might have meant according to Ele]
This is the point that hipo's making. He's not suggesting that there's nothing else you need to look at other than race. He's not suggesting that the 'cause' is race. He's just saying there are certain statistical realities and these should (and do) play a part in our decision-making and how we make sense of the world.
Personally I think the rules should go back to the way they were, it seemed to work fine then and it should work fine now, the rule change was unnecessary. And changing the rules in wibbles of all places is the most appalling thing I've ever seen
It's too specific, extensive harassment of any kind should be punished, it just makes sense. OUTSIDE OF WIBBLES
If someone is asked once to stop and doesn't they should be punished. OUTSIDE OF WIBBLES
I think this should be expanded on, compiled and compressed into a Suggestions thread so that it may be implemented.
The rules should go back to the way they were. It worked well and didn't need revision.
staff care more about trying to make people like maya feel safe and comfortable rather than making an enjoyable game, and average players feel comfortable. well have fun because nobody plays this shit no more. look at this fool commenting on every single thread bringing up trans issues like anyone cares
For the sake of comparison, could you share what the 'old old' rules were (if you can find em)?
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