Originally Posted by Surfings

Where do you think incentive to work will come from, if it doesn't come from reward in the form of money or benefits?

Also, capitalism is thriving due to the globalist movement since China's open doors policy, as well as our access technology giving us online markets like Ebay and Amazon.

Originally Posted by deprav

Equality doesn't mean everyone should have the same wage and be as miserable as each other like in ex-USSR (which was a dictatorship btw), doesn't mean we're biologically equal either. Equality means people are -in a supposed democratic system- entitled to the same rights, same access to proper education, medical care, equals in the eyes of Justice, access to basic needs without any regard for their religion, ethnie, gender, political opinions, bank account... "Equality" isn't a condition you have and everyone is happy, it's a value, a goal to work toward, like "Freedom", "Justice"... democratic responsibilities.

How people not being treated equally is necessary for ANY society to function ? How's that been going so far, for all the systems which collapsed succesively for a few thousands years before us ? because people are and will always be striving for fair and better treatment, and fight political and economical domination.

Capitalism has gone sour ; access to immediate informations, thanks to the internet, revealed the very fundations of the system and its consequences, the ineptitude of the governments to defend the people against the interests of massive lobbies and companies, the lack of action to protect the environment, the adaptive morality, the immobilism, the inherent anti-democratic aspect... It's already crumbling down.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your political opinion, I'm just letting you know what's going to happen. Capitalism is going to vanish as well, in a not-so-distant future.

Originally Posted by Surfings

Your argument is based on the fact that some people will work harder than others just because they want to. In reality, there are very, very few people like that. People would stop working hard because there would be no need to work hard. If your statement is true, why do people work in fast food? why do people seek promotions in the workplace? Why do people purposely take draining and stressful jobs?

I didn't say "Capitalism is thriving because it's giving us Ebay and Amazon", I said technological advances are fuelling capitalism through global trade. Twisting my arguments don't make yours right.

Also, capitalism is thriving due to the globalist movement since China's open doors policy, as well as our access technology giving us online markets like Ebay and Amazon.

Originally Posted by Surfings

Capitalism has been around since trading has existed (which is a VERY [indeterminately] long time, earlier than civilisation itself, and even if you were being ironic, science literally did not exist at this point in time), so I don't know where you got that idea from. If anything, communism and socialism are the ones taking their terms and dying, evidently shown by the current state of communist countries. The fact that you think capitalism is "eating people's rights away"is laughable, capitalism is literally the concept of the free market - buying and selling what you want. freedom.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

I doubt capitalism will vanish. It's an extremely useful system for the distribution of goods and structuring of society, marginally incentivizing all kinds of actions. I agree that there could be regulatory and interventionist tweaks, but to throw the house out with the kitchen sink is silly.

Originally Posted by deprav

Who's to say people who earn millions have harder jobs

Originally Posted by deprav

so maybe he owes more to other people than he owes to himself in the end.
Without other people he would just be a sad and scared hairless monkey trying to survive.

Originally Posted by deprav

And it is, people who earn normal and low incomes contribute to society and pay taxes, they're even the reason why rich people are rich. The difference is you still live a more comfortable life being taxed 50% of 10M than paying 10% of 1500$.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

I read your clarification below, but that's still a sketchy as hell explanation for why capitalism might be thriving.

As for the incentive bit, you don't need currency to give incentive to work. It's certainly useful, but the fact that you think that currency is imperative to work is fucking ridiculous lmfao. How did Stalin industrialize the USSR, then? Don't let reality inconvenience your argument, though.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

No... that's basically what you said.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

The funny thing is, you can't even properly explain why these kinds of mediums might streamline capitalism.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

Some people might work in fast food because they enjoy it, people seek promotions because there's an inherent satisfaction in being recognized for your capabilities, and people take draining and stressful jobs because they can be rewarding.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

Absolutely, there will be people who make decisions purely based on currency, but assuming these people are the majority without citation should be immediately disregarded. Almost every artist (painter, musician, sculptor) in history proves you wrong (if you know much history, you'll learn many were dirt poor), and it's certainly silly to assume there's some mystical power about artists that makes them consider their work instead of monetary compensation when making decisions. Obviously, currency being the negotiation tool that facilitates exchange for necessary goods like food, shelter, and water, it needs to be considered by people, but that would have either marginal or no bearing on whether someone wants to be a construction contractor or a plumber, nor would it have any effect on whether someone chooses to be a doctor or a pilot.

Originally Posted by Pouffy

I want you to show this paragraph to your professor and have them tell you what they think, because so much of this is either grossly misleading or blatantly wrong it's laughable. I'll elaborate on this when I get home from work but jeeeeeeeeeez.